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Tech companies argued in comments on the website that the way their models ingested creative content was innovative and legal. The venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz, which has several investments in A.I. start-ups, warned in its comments that any slowdown for A.I. companies in consuming content “would upset at least a decade’s worth of investment-backed expectations that were premised on the current understanding of the scope of copyright protection in this country.”
underneath the screenshot is the “Oh no! Anyway” meme, featuring two pictures of Jeremy Clarkson saying “Oh no!” and “Anyway”
screenshot (copied from this mastodon post) is of a paragraph of the NYT article “The Sleepy Copyright Office in the Middle of a High-Stakes Clash Over A.I.”
We need copyright reform. Life of author plus 70 for everything is just nuts.
This is not an AI problem. This is a companies literally owning our culture problem.
Going one step deeper, at the source, it’s oligarchy and companies owning the law and in consequence also its enforcement.
We do need copyright reform, but also fuck “AI.” I couldn’t care less about them infringing on proprietary works, but they’re also infringing on copyleft works and for that they deserve to be shut the fuck down.
Either that, or all the output of their “AI” needs to be copyleft.
Not just the output. One could construct that training your model on GPL content which would have it create GPL content means that the model itself is now also GPL.
It’s why my company calls GPL parasitic, use it once and it’s everywhere.
This is something I consider to be one of the main benefits of this license.
So if I read a copyleft text or code once, because I understood and learned from it any text I write in the future also has to be copyleft?
HOLY SHIT!
Doctor here, I’m sorry to inform you that you have a case of parasitic copyleftiosis. Your brain is copyleft, your body is copyleft, and even your future children will be copyleft.
GPL. Not even once!
It already is. God you uninformed people are insufferable.
It already is.
If you mean that the output of AI is already copyleft, then sure, I completely agree! What I meant to write that we “need” is legal acknowledgement of that factual reality.
The companies running these services certainly don’t seem to think so, however, so they need to be disabused of their misconception.
I apologize if that was unclear. (Not sure the vitriol was necessary, but whatever.)
There have already been cases decided… That’s enough
Piracy / stealing content is ok for big corps Piracy / stealing content punishable by life in prison for us proletarians
This is simply not stealing. Viewing content has never ever ever been stealing.
There is no view right.
Could say piracy is just running a program that “views” the content, and then regurgitates its own interpretation of it into local data stores.
It’s just not very creative, so it’s usually very close.
That’s one thing, but I think regurgitating it and claiming it as your own is a completely different thing.
Also, I’m pretty sure the argument is more about the unequal enforcement of the law. Copyright should be either enforced fairly or not at all. If AI is allowed to scrape content and regurgitate it, piracy should also be legal.
Again that’s not what’s happening here
They are downloading the data so thei LLM can “view” it. How is that different than downloading movies to view them?
They’re not downloading anything tho. That’s the point. At no point are they posessing the content that the AI is viewing.
This is LESS intrusive than a Google web scraper. No one trying to sue Google for copyright for Google searches.
What? Of course they are downloading, the content still has to reach their networks and computers.
Go look up how ai works. There is no download lol. It’s the exact same principal as web scrapers which have been around for literally decades.
“You can’t just decide we were wrong about IP, that would make us broke!”
That’s what would be called “a swing and a miss”
It’s almost like speculating has risks
I don’t give a shit about copyright for training AI.
But I don’t give a shit about investors, either.
Copyright should ceise to exist and sharing digital copies of any content should be a protected right. The best software is foss anyway.
But if i cant have that i will settle for techbross going to jail for mass theft. Either the law is equal or it is unlawful.
I’m gonna play them a song on the world’s smallest violin.
Can someone rephrase me ? I’ve read it two times and I really don’t get it
As Robert Evan’s put it: “If we can’t steal every book ever written, we’ll go broke!”
I mean, I won’t deny that small bit of skill it took to construct a plausible sounding explanation for why the public should support your investment, because it’s “not illegal (yet)”.
“technically this thievery isn’t covered by law”
"technically this what?”
"OBJECTION!”
You stole my post by looking at it. Pay me.
