In many respects, I think the scare manipulation they’re pulling when someone updates their system up try to get them to buy their subscription service is worse, implying that they won’t be getting all of the security patches they need otherwise

If you have Ubuntu installed in the room, then yes

The extension pack does cost and is licensed differently from the core product

I did try that tact, more or less, but the fact is they kept harassing our licensing people and it just wasn’t worth it so we removed every copy of it and used something else

And the truth is, Oracle can throw an ungodly amount of legal hassle at people if they want, right or wrong… Just because you’re in the right and should win doesn’t mean there’ll be anything left of you on the other side, and they won’t have felt a thing while destroying you out of capriciousness

They’re pure evil and even their fully open source products should be avoided like the plague that they are. Hopefully someone will fork them at some point so we don’t have to be tied to that shitty company, but until then, better to just leave them alone, because it’s just not worth the hassle.

They don’t even care if you don’t get the extension pack, we’ve been pestered by those leeches even for the open source licensed for all use main package only

And they DO NOT CARE if you don’t actually use or install the extensions (unless something has changed, the guest add-ons are part of the free open source part, it’s the extensions for things like USB 2 support that aren’t free for commercial)

You can use it freely, by license, but they’ll come after you anyway

I’m still pissed that they bought Sun, so many great products now controlled by those assholes… Virtual box, MySQL, Solaris, Java…

Last time I loaded up Ubuntu, considering it for a server, the moment I saw that, I deleted the VM and took it off my list permanently

I have no interest in that kind of manipulative BS

You’d think with all those penguins…

That’s a great feature, actually, it saves you from using Windows

Perhaps because Steam is the launcher we actually choose to use? That does make a big difference…

Yes, the launcher I use for almost all my games which gives me a single interface to install, update, and run them. It has purpose. It’s the launcher I’m actually intending to use.

Eats Ass games (as one example) loading up their own launcher in the middle of that and providing no actual benefit other than wasting my time and resources is NOT something I choose to use.

Whichever one is primary or third party, I don’t really care about the semantics of it, but the extra launcher that isn’t needed or wanted is what I think of when someone’s talking about third party launchers.

I dunno, I tend to think of the useless thing that comes up for a game I bought on Steam and run through Steam to be “third party”… Maybe that’s a stretch, but whatever, it’s just unwanted and unnecessary at that point

Microsoft switching their Azure stack Linux build to their own Azure Linux distro, to me, is less surprising than them not already using it… When they first announced CBL Mariner (the predecessor of Azure Linux), I thought that’s what they were already running.

Or, more likely, didn’t need to pay for support as they have adequate technical coverage of their needs… Why would you pay for things you aren’t going to be using?

If I’m putting BSD or MIT license on something, I’m explicitly saying you can use it however you want, you can change it however you want, you don’t have to share back, I just ask for credit for my part in it

It’s not taking so much as being given freely

I’d be a little concerned about going with a single-maintainer distro, though I’m willing to at least check it out.

As for Fedora, I’ve never been a fan, but a lot of that comes from dealing with Fedora Core 5 (way back in the before times when it was still Fedora Core and not just Fedora, which is why the builds are always still labeled with “fc”), and that release was a hot mess

Also that it’s so closely tied to RedHat and how I feel about how they’ve been acting lately, but I understand RedHat doesn’t actually have a controlling hand in that? Anyway, I’m probably being unfair with that

And though I’ve thrown it on a laptop to mess around with, it’s not one I use much and felt like every time I’d take it out to mess with it I’d have to start with a major upgrade, the pace of their releases feels fast to me… But probably not as big of a deal if I’m actively using the machine

Hmm… Yeah, I think I’ll give that a try, carve out some space on my drives to toss it in there

Thanks for the reply! (I had a feeling Fedora might be your response as it does get a lot of hype for its KDE implementation, but a gal can hope for a different option to come up, right?)

How do you mean? And did switching distros fix it?

Also, out of curiosity, what did you go with and how do you like it?

I’m currently running KDE on Mint (Cinnamon is nice but limited and had some issues for me), but I’ve considered trying something else…