Look, I’ll watch Michelle Yeoh in almost anything, including this, but I can’t get past the fact that they’re using “genocidal tyrant” as shorthand for “lovable badass” to characterise Georgiou. It was a glaring problem in Disco, and it continues to be so here.
“But, but… She redeemed herself!” Nope, you don’t get to pull that card for a character who “murdered her own people by the millions”. There is just no coming back from that.
Yes, exactly. So they’re either playing the redemption angle (which I don’t buy) or they’re just going “Massacres! They’re wholesome!” (which is plain terrible and I don’t see Yeoh going for it).
I’ve said elsewhere in the thread that I think there’s a difference between redemption and atonement - I had the impression from the season 3 two-parter that they’d be taking the latter route with Georgiou. I think that could be really interesting, should they go in that direction.
This teaser really didn’t provide any information as to whether they will, though.
I missed that comment, but I still think it’s a matter of semantics between atonement and redemption. In Disco the rest of the characters just shrugged it off with a “she was a mass murderer, but she was our mass murderer”, and I find it rather disturbing that the franchise runners seem to do the same.
Like I said, Michelle Yeoh is a treasure, but the character of mirror Georgiou has been dialed up to maximum evil yet she’s played for comic relief?
To me, “redemption” implies forgiveness, while “atonement” implies reparation or sacrifice, without actual forgiveness being in the equation. I think it’s an interesting notion, if they can pull it off.
Georgiou has great potential to be a sort of nature/nurture story.
Look, I’ll watch Michelle Yeoh in almost anything, including this, but I can’t get past the fact that they’re using “genocidal tyrant” as shorthand for “lovable badass” to characterise Georgiou. It was a glaring problem in Disco, and it continues to be so here.
“But, but… She redeemed herself!” Nope, you don’t get to pull that card for a character who “murdered her own people by the millions”. There is just no coming back from that.
From the trailer, I don’t get the impression that they’re trying to come back from it - rather, they’re leaning in to it.
Yes, exactly. So they’re either playing the redemption angle (which I don’t buy) or they’re just going “Massacres! They’re wholesome!” (which is plain terrible and I don’t see Yeoh going for it).
I’ve said elsewhere in the thread that I think there’s a difference between redemption and atonement - I had the impression from the season 3 two-parter that they’d be taking the latter route with Georgiou. I think that could be really interesting, should they go in that direction.
This teaser really didn’t provide any information as to whether they will, though.
I missed that comment, but I still think it’s a matter of semantics between atonement and redemption. In Disco the rest of the characters just shrugged it off with a “she was a mass murderer, but she was our mass murderer”, and I find it rather disturbing that the franchise runners seem to do the same.
Like I said, Michelle Yeoh is a treasure, but the character of mirror Georgiou has been dialed up to maximum evil yet she’s played for comic relief?
To me, “redemption” implies forgiveness, while “atonement” implies reparation or sacrifice, without actual forgiveness being in the equation. I think it’s an interesting notion, if they can pull it off.
Georgiou has great potential to be a sort of nature/nurture story.