I installed a few different distros, landed on Cinnamon Mint. I’m not a tech dummy, but I feel I’m in over my head.

I installed Docker in the terminal (two things I’m not familiar with) but I can’t find it anywhere. Googled some stuff, tried to run stuff, and… I dunno.

I’m TRYING to learn docker so I can set up audiobookshelf and Sonarr with Sabnzbd.

Once it’s installed in the terminal, how the hell do I find docker so I can start playing with it?

Is there a Linux for people who are deeply entrenched in how Windows works? I’m not above googling command lines that I can copy and paste but I’ve spent HOURS trying to figure this out and have gotten no where…

Thanks! Sorry if this is the wrong place for this

EDIT : holy moly. I posted this and went to bed. Didn’t quite realize the hornets nest I was going to kick. THANK YOU to everyone who has and is about to comment. It tells you how much traction I usually get because I usually answer every response on lemmy and the former. For this one I don’t think I’ll be able to do it.

I’ve got a few little ones so time to sit and work on this is tough (thus 5h last night after they were in bed) but I’m going to start picking at all your suggestions (and anyone else who contributes as well)

Thank you so much everyone! I think windows has taught me to be very visually reliant and yelling into the abyss that is the terminal is a whole different beast - but I’m willing to give it a go!

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    Linux is a slightly different way of thinking. There are any number of ways that you can solve any problem you have. In Windows there are usually only one or two that work. This is largely a result of the hacker mentality from which linux and Unix came from. “If you don’t like how it works, rewrite it your way” and “Read the F***ing Manual” were frequent refrains when I started playing with linux.

    Mint is a fine distro which is based off of Ubuntu, if I remember correctly. Most documentation that applies to Ubuntu will also apply to you.

    Not sure what exactly you installed, but I’m guessing that you did something along the lines of sudo apt-get install docker.

    If you did that without doing anything ahead of time, what you probably got was a slightly out of date version of docker only from Mint’s repositories. Follow the instructions here to uninstall whatever you installed and install docker from docker’s own repositories.

    The Docker Desktop that you may be used to from Windows is available for linux, however it is not part of the default install usually. You might look at this documentation.

    I don’t use it, as I prefer ctop combined with docker-compose.

    Towards that end, here is my docker-compose.yaml for my instance of Audiobookshelf. I have it connected to my Tailscale tailnet, but if you comment out the tailscale service stuff and uncomment the port section in the audiobookshelf service, you can run it directly. Assuming your not making any changes,

    Create a directory somewhere,

    mkdir ~/docker

    mkdir ~/docker/audiobookshelf

    This creates a directory in your home directory called docker and then a directory within that one called audiobookshelf. Now we want to enter that directory.

    cd ~/docker/audiobookshelf

    Then create your docker compose file

    touch docker-compose.yaml

    You can edit this file with whatever text editor you like, but I prefer micro which you may not have installed.

    micro docker-compose.yaml

    and then paste the contents into the file and change whatever setting you need to for your system. At a minimum you will need to change the volumes section so that the podcast and audiobook paths point to the correct location on your system. it follows the format <system path>:<container path>.

    Once you’ve made all the needed changes, save and exit the editor and start the the instance by typing

    sudo docker compose up -d

    Now, add the service directly to your tailnet by opening a shell in the tailscale container

    sudo docker exec -it audiobookshelf-tailscale /bin/sh

    and then typing

    tailscale up

    copy the link it gives you into your browser to authenticate the instance. Assuming that neither you or I made any typos you should now be able to access audiobookshelf from http://books If you chose to comment out all the tailscale stuff you would find it at http://localhost:13378

    docker-compose.yaml

    version: "3.7"
    services:
      tailscale:
        container_name: audiobookshelf-tailscale
        hostname: books                         # This will become the tailscale device name
        image: ghcr.io/tailscale/tailscale:latest
        volumes:
          - "./tailscale_var_lib:/var/lib"        # State data will be stored in this directory
          - "/dev/net/tun:/dev/net/tun"           # Required for tailscale to work
        cap_add:                                    # Required for tailscale to work
          - net_admin
          - sys_module
        command: tailscaled
        restart: unless-stopped
      audiobookshelf:
        container_name: audiobookshelf
        image: ghcr.io/advplyr/audiobookshelf:latest
        restart: unless-stopped
    #    ports:                                                                  # Not needed due to tailscale
    #      - 13378:80                                                                                                     
        volumes:
          - '/mnt/nas/old_media_server/media/books/Audio Books:/audiobooks'       # This line has quotes because there is a space that needed to be escaped.
          - /mnt/nas/old_media_server/media/podcasts:/podcasts                               # See, no quotes needed here, better to have them though.
          - /opt/audiobookshelf/config:/config                                       # I store my docker services in the /opt directory. You may want to change this to './config' and './metadata' while your playing around
          - /opt/audiobookshelf/metadata:/metadata
        network_mode: service:tailscale                                  # This line tells the audiobookshelf container to send all traffic to tailscale container
    

    I’ve left my docker-compose file as-is so you can see how it works in my setup.

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        It’s not as difficult as the length of my comment implies, and doing it in the terminal simplifies the explanation quite a bit.

        The average user though might never need to use the terminal. Most of what they want can be done in the browser.

        As for Linux mass adoption, that happened years ago. Just nobody noticed. Android, Chromebook, Steam Deck are all Linux based and MacOS (BSD derived) is a close relative. And Microsoft has even made it possible to run linux command line programs in Windows, with some caveats, using WSL. And that’s not counting the majority of servers, networking gear and space craft running linux or unix.

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          “They’re all close relatives”

          on which the experience has been tuned to make them as user friendly as possible to the point where they have nothing in common with desktop Linux from an average user perspective.

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        Because Docker, a complex program most users will never use, has a long install process?

        If I posted the long setup instructions for it on Windows, would you tell me Windows mass adoption is never coming?

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        Getting this setup on Windows would be even harder because it would involve installing docker manually or setting up WSL and following these steps. What OP is trying to do is a complex thing that most people don’t need, that would be the same as saying Windows is hard because setting up a VM with hardware passthrough is difficult on Windows, completely missing the point that that is a complex thing to do and that it’s complex on any other OS as well.

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          Yeah but the difference is that even for simple things, Linux instructions look like what was posted by the person I replied to.

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            Being a person who replies to lots of new users questions I strongly disagree. 99% of the questions come from a Windows mindset, so it requires some deconstruction of the way the person is thinking, have you noticed how very few Mac users ask beginner questions on Linux forums?

            There’s a big difference between something is different and someone is used to doing the things differently, driving on the left or right is just as difficult, bit if you’ve driven all of your life one way switching up can be difficult. Just like that a lot of Linux concepts are different from what people are used to if they come from a Windows background, but the same is true the other way around. As someone who’s been using Linux for decades I find windows weird and convoluted, but I know that this is just my perception, and that someone who’s using it daily is used to that.

            Edit: if you’re going to reply to this, mind providing an example of something you think is easy on Windows but hard on Linux?

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              Just to be clear, I agree with you practically 100%, and you can see my response to this person in the same thread as well, but I’m going to play devil’s advocate here. I’ll give you a few examples of things that are easier on Windows (and most also are easier on MacOS) than they are on Linux (or at least some distros depending on which you pick):

              • Using proprietary multimedia codecs (Fedora)
              • Installing Nvidia drivers that have the capability of auto-updating (any distro that doesn’t have a GUI for driver downloads)
              • Installation (most people simply use the pre-installed OS and never reinstall or install anything new)
              • Game compatibility (Linux gaming is great, but there are still major titles not supported)
              • Accessing firmware settings and profiles for laptops while booted (like Armoury Crate for Asus laptops (yes, I know about rog-control-center and asusctl, but those don’t work for all devices, and are harder to set up))

              There are probably plenty more, and there are things that are easier on Linux. But again, I’m just playing devil’s advocate here. Each of those examples are less intuitive to complete on Linux (or at least some distros) than they are in Windows. As someone who has been using Linux for a decade, I don’t think that they are all hard, but many are also less intuitive in Linux than MacOS, just to address your first point. When you have to start adding PPAs/repos to get specific things, I’d argue that’s objectively less intuitive than the alternatives in other operating systems, and not merely a different way of thinking. In many cases though, for most things, there are intuitive solutions that exist in Linux. There are plenty of cases where someone overcomplicates something they want to do in Linux by using a Windows mindset, so I still agree with you there. I just think it’s a little more nuanced than you seemed to imply.

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                I had written a more thorough response, but the app crashed and I lost it. Sorry of this one sounds a bit harsh, I do mostly agree with you, I just think that the examples you’ve chosen are bad because they’re either distro specific (so not a Linux problem but a problem with that distro), or not Linux problems (i.e. there’s nothing Linux can do about it because the problem doesn’t lie on Linux but elsewhere)

                Using proprietary multimedia codecs (Fedora)

                Distro specific. It should be just like installing anything else, and it is for some distros, certainty for the ones I’ve been using.

                Installing Nvidia drivers that have the capability of auto-updating (any distro that doesn’t have a GUI for driver downloads)

                Distro specific, I’ve had NVIDIA drivers auto-updating for the past 15 years or so, long before Windows had that same capabilities. And it updates with my regular system update, no need to use any special GUI for it.

                Installation (most people simply use the pre-installed OS and never reinstall or install anything new)

                Not Linux problem. Also, while I can see the argument that’s easier to use what’s already installed, that tells you nothing of how easy one thing is in comparison to the other. If computers came with the most convolutedly complex and unusable crap of an OS, full of bloatware and spyware pre-installed people would still use it. Not to mention that the Linux installation process was much easier than Windows for the longest time (until windows finally implemented automatic driver installation)

                Game compatibility (Linux gaming is great, but there are still major titles not supported)

                Not Linux problem. Although this is something to bear in mind while choosing your OS, it’s the companies that make games that are at fault here, there’s nothing Linux can do to remedy this situation, so it’s unfair to judge it for it. That’s like saying Windows is harder to use because running docker containers in it is impossible without some virtualisation, while this is something to consider when deciding what OS will you use to self-host, it’s not per-se a reason why Windows is more difficult to use.

                Accessing firmware settings and profiles for laptops while booted (like Armoury Crate for Asus laptops (yes, I know about rog-control-center and asusctl, but those don’t work for all devices, and are harder to set up))

                Same as above.

                Like I said, I agree with lots of what you said, and some of those are thing to keep in mind when choosing an OS, but those are not good arguments as for which OS is simpler than the other. The Linux way to do most of them is using the package manager, and that’s much simpler than searching the internet for the correct download.

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                  The greatest contribution of Nvidia to FOSS had been to keep many such thinking people hostage to proprietary solutions and out of our visibility.

                  You know, those that refuse to learn anything new, refuse to read documents, believe that by controlling input/output through terminal is inferior to gui-blindness.

                  @Nibodhika @Para_lyzed

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        This is a discussion about Docker, which is a complex terminal-based containerization system. This is not a program that is typically used by the average user. Docker’s complexity does not imply that Linux requires this kind of set up to use as a normal desktop. This is usually server software. Docker is also available on Windows and MacOS, and is partnered with Microsoft (you know, the company that makes Windows? The desktop OS with the highest market share?). Are you going to complain about how Windows will never reach mass adoption because users are able to install complex tools that require a steep learning curve to use? You can install Docker on Windows and use the same commands and configs, so do you believe that Windows suffers this same problem?

        Before you point out the start of that comment with the “Linux mentality” stuff, while some of that is certainly true, you can now do everything an average user needs to do in an intuitive GUI, just like Windows (better in many cases, actually). Half the listed commands (making directories and files) can be done in the file manager just like Windows, normal apps can be managed in app stores, and the rest of it is docker specific, which is (again), server-oriented software. I’m not a fan of their mentality about how things work in Linux, because it’s very much an old mentality that doesn’t account for the immense amount of change that has happened in the past decade to make Linux more accessible.

        I don’t understand why people come to the Linux communities to complain that Linux is “too hard” or “too complex” to be usable. If you don’t have an actual interest in Linux, find another community. If you want a simple experience, use a simple distro that’s meant to be easy to use, and use software that is easy to use.

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        Docker is not your average GUI text editor or video player. It is supposed to be a TUI-first container app, similar to Podman, Incus, etc. The GUI applet is something you can add for your convenience.

        A container is somewhere between running on bare metal vs virtual machine, in the sense that it is an ephemeral, isolated system, running on the same kernel with minimal overhead.

        Docker for Windows runs the whole Linux kernel in VM. Basically, now you’re running a container inside a VM. That’s a lot of overhead, if you understand what that means. And btw, the desktop app for Windows is available on Linux. It’s just that you don’t really need it.

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    Docker is professional software and because of that isn’t always the most intuitive thing to use.

    The first big thing to get your head around is that there is no GUI. Everything you do to manage docker is through the command line. If you really want to, there’s some third party GUI software for managing Docker, but I haven’t used it in the 2 years I’ve been using Docker.

    Once you’ve installed docker, there’s a little bit of setup required to make it run smoothly. The Docker Docs page on Linux post-installation steps has detailed instructions on how to do that and how to run a test container

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    I strongly suggest that you install portainer if this is your first time playing with docker.

    It’ll make your life and learning curve dramatically easier.

    I’m not suggesting you dont learn how to do it all over CLI (I actually think CLI is way easier and faster to deploy once you get the hang of it), but if you’re looking to deploy something right away, I believe portainer is your best bet.

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      This. I had the same issue, and just about every tutorial focuses on the command line, and I get why… It’s way more powerful and actually becomes the standard that people who are using docker repeatedly would need to learn.

      That being said, this was my first foray into containerizing things since VMware became a thing. So I needed a UI that felt familiar and helped me understand some of the Dockers specific settings and configurations. This was a godsend in helping me get things up and running, and then later I had to learn how to do it properly with docker compose.

      For what it’s worth, I still keep my portainer instance running, and use it for some administration stuff like resets, but I think it helps smooth my learning curve. Docker via the command line exclusively pretty much requires you to understand all of the notions and concepts involved.

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    Is there a Linux for people who are deeply entrenched in how Windows works?

    Zorin is this, though your choice of Mint is good too. It will not help you understand docker though.

    If you’re trying to do Audibookshelf on a home server CasaOS made docker super easy for me.

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    AI can be of great help when learning docker, as it is genuinely super confusing. You don’t “find” docker, it’s a terminal program that you interact with… From the terminal.

    I’m gonna get A LOT of hate for this, but check out Warp terminal. It has a really nice GUI for configuration and really nice autocomplete for commands.

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      Why should you get hate for the warp terminal? I’ve never used it but it looks quite nice.

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          I mean, you can call literally any more advanced terminal “alacritty with tmux”, but I don’t think that’s fair. And I for one find Warp’s AI features fairly useful. It’s also as I mentioned above got a really nice autocomplete and configuration UI. (It’s autocomplete is an absolute godsent when it comes to dealing with docker…)

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            I would enjoy training a LLM on my aggregated command history and using that for auto completion, or maybe using an open source one trained on a larger set from the community, but I am very uncomfortable sending data about every command (as I’m writing it!) to any company.

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        Because it’s closed source and requires a sign in. Imo worth it, as it’s a very nice terminal.

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    OP: chatGPT is your personal Linux guru. Pretend it’s your friend who knows everything about linux and tell it what you want to achieve.

    Paste in any error messages and it will tell you how to fix them. Just make sure it knows what distro you’re using first.

    That’s how I learned to use docker :)

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      except it makes up so much shit that it’s harmful past extremely noob stuff

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        Actually though. I’ve asked it questions about impossible things related to technology and it’s even gone as far to make up things for features that don’t exist.

        In one case I asked it once if it was possible to have Kafka partitions shared across topics (currently impossible per design) and it was confidently incorrect, even gave me a made up command line for how to achieve what I asked.

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          oh i know… i had it write a few very short programs, just about every single line had an error… importing shit that doesn’t exist, adding incorrect arguments to functions…

          but what’s scary is it looks ok at a quick glance… and these ai bros with reverse imposter syndrome are going to talk their way into some dangerous situations and break important things, eventually…

          but i guess that’s not too different from shitty coders and contractors anyways.
          e.g. the original healthcare.gov taking 500 million lines of code

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        Well making mistakes is how you learn stuff. Do all this on a vm that you can blow away and start over when you do screw up. So ChatGPT giving you crap advice can still be very useful. Sometimes the wrong answer can lead you to the right one.

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    how the hell do I find docker

    Type “docker” in terminal and hit enter. Since it’s installed, your system will likely recognize it as a command and populate a help menu for you. You’ll want to visit docker’s website for a full manual.

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    I think it will be easier to use docker compose with a premade docker compose file.

    Create a new directory cd into it and then nano docker-compose.yaml. For instance, here is a docker compose I found one the audio bookshelf website:

    version: "3.7"
      services: 
        audiobookshelf:
          image: ghcr.io/advplyr/audiobookshelf:latest
          ports: - 13378:80
          volumes:
            - </path/to/audiobooks>:/audiobooks
            - </path/to/podcasts>:/podcasts - </path/to/config>:/config
            - </path/to/metadata>:/metadata
    

    https://www.audiobookshelf.org/docs/#docker-compose-install

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    Docker is one of the container technologies

    Containers vs Images

    This is a very simplified explanation, which hopefully clears up for you. As with all simplifications, they aren’t entirely correct.

    Containers put processes, files, and networking into a space where they are secluded from the rest. You main OS is called the host and the container is called the guest. You can selectively share resources with the guest. To use an analogy, if you house were the computer with linux, if you took a room, put tools and resources for those tools into it, put workers into it, got them to start working and locked the door, they’d be contained in the room, unable to break out. If you want to give workers access to resources, you either a window, a corridor, or even a door depending on much access you want to give them.

    Containers are created from an image. Think of it as the tools, resources, and configuration required every time you create a room in your house for workers to do a job. The woodworkers will need different tools and resources than say metalworkers.

    Most images are stored on DockerHub. So when you do docker pull linuxserver/sonarr you download the image. When you do docker run linuxserver/sonarr you create a container from an image.

    Installation

    You’re on Cinnamon Mint which is linux distribution derived from another linux distribution called debian. You have to follow the installation instructions. Everything is there. If something doesn’t work, it’s most likely because you skipped a step. The most important ones are the post-installation steps:

    • Adding your user to the docker group
    • Logging out and back in (or simply restarting)

    Those are the most commonly missed steps. I’ve fallen for this trap too!

    Local help

    To use linux, you need to learn about ways to help yourself or find help. On linux, most well-written programs print a help. Simply running the command without any arguments most often output a help text --> running docker does so. If they don’t, then the --help flag often does --> docker --help. The shorthand is -h --> docker -h.

    Some commands have sub commands e.g docker run, docker image, docker ps, … . Those subcommands also take flags of which -h and --help are available.

    The help output is often not extensive and programs often have a manual. To access it the command is man --> man find will output the manual for the find command. Docker doesn’t have a local manual but an online one.

    For clarification when running a command there are different ways to interpret the text after the command:

    Flags/Options

    These are named parameters to the command. Some do not take input like -h and --help which are called flags. Some do like --file /etc/passwd and are often called options.

    Arguments

    These are unnamed parameters and each command interprets them differently. echo "hello world" --> echo is the command and "hello world" is the argument. Some commands can take multiple arguments

    Running containers

    Imperatively

    As described above docker run linuxserver/sonarr runs an image in a container. However, it runs in the foreground (as opposed to the background in what is most often called a “daemon”). Starting in the foreground is most likely not how you want to run things as that means if you close your terminal, you end the process too. To run something in the background, you use docker run --detatch linuxserver/sonarr.

    You can pass options like -v or --volume to make a file or folder from your host system available in the guest e.g -v /path/on/host:/tmp/path/in/guest. Or -p / --port to forward a host port to a guest port e.g -p 8080:80. That means if you access port 8080 on your host, the traffic will be forwarded to port 80 in the guest.

    These are imperatives as in you command the computer to do a specific action. Run that docker image, stop that docker container, restart these containers, start a container with this port forward and that volume with this user …

    Declaratively

    If you don’t want to keep typing the same commands, you can declare everything about your containers up front. Their volumes, ports, environment variables, which image is used, which network card/interface they have access to, which other network they share with other containers, and so on.

    This is done with docker-compose or docker compose for newer docker versions (not all operating systems have the new docker version).

    This already a long text, so if you want to know more, the best resource is the docker compose manual and the compose file reference.


    Hopefully this helped with the basics and understanding what you’re doing. There are probably great video resources out there that explain it more didactically than I do with steps you can follow along.

    Good luck!

    CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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      You main OS is called the host and the container is called the guest

      The word “guest” is generally used for virtual machines, not containers.

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    If you’re not planning to actually learn Docker, use an LLM AI to help you out. I just tried the following prompt in Gemini “generate docker-compose.yml that runs audiobookshelf and Sonarr with Sabnzbd” and it generated something that looks reasonable. Then you can follow it up with prompts like “how do I auto start it on linux?” and it will generate the systemd unit, and also tell you what commands to run.

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    I remember being so lost in the dark when starting docker. There’s 2 main approaches to launching docker containers. One is with CLI arguments and one is from a docker-compose.yml file.

    I highly recommend the latter.

    Try going to chatGPT and ask it to write a docker compose file for whatever service you’re trying to stand up.

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      There’s no point in asking ChatGPT for a generic compose, most docker images will recommend a compose that’s specifically written for them.

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      It is a much better way to run volatile server apps that are changing at breakneck speed.

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    Ok, so I don’t know the specifics, this might not be entirely accurate, but this is a general step-by-step guide for Debian based distros like Mint.

    Install docker

    The first thing you need to do is install docker, this can be done via whatever GUI you use for a package manager or via the terminal using sudo apt install docker (I’m not sure docker is the name of the package, I’m just guessing, you can do an apt search docker to see what’s available)

    Add yourself to dockers

    This is likely not needed on Mint, but just in case your user should be in the docker group, i.e. run sudo gpasswd -a docker. I’m almost sure Mint does this by default.

    Enable docker systemd

    This also might not be needed, again I’m almost sure Mint does this for you when you install docker, but just in case the command is sudo systemctl enable docker

    Reboot

    Because there have been changes to your user groups you need to relogin, easier to reboot.

    use docker

    Now you have a system with docker, you can test this by running the following command docker run hello-world, if you see a bunch of text that contains “Hello from docker” docker is working.

    setup a docker-compose file

    Create a folder, and in that folder create a text file called docker-compose.yaml in that file. This file will tell docker what you want to run, for example to have Nextcloud (which is an awesome self-hosted drive alternative. I’m not going to teach you the specific services you want, you can figure those out by looking at their page on the linuxserver page or something) you can look here https://hub.docker.com/r/linuxserver/nextcloud on how to write your docker-compose file, for example you could write:

    services:
      nextcloud:
        image: lscr.io/linuxserver/nextcloud:latest
        container_name: nextcloud
        environment:
          - PUID=1000
          - PGID=1000
          - TZ=Etc/UTC
        volumes:
          - ./config:/config
          - ./data:/data
        ports:
          - 8080:80
          - 443:443
        restart: unless-stopped
    

    Then open a terminal on that folder and run docker compose up -d after that is done open a browser and go to http://localhost:8080 and begin using Nextcloud.

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    I’m also pretty new to Linux, but I’ve finally gotten a bit of a grasp on it. I started learning Linux to set up a home server, so I also jumped straight into Docker. You have gotten some thorough replies, but I thought I’d share my chaotic journey with it that has ended in a decent ratio of success vs confusion. Note: I have used Ubuntu from the start.

    Don’t use docker desktop. It’s garbage. Also, don’t use the Snap image.

    $sudo apt install docker.io

    $sudo apt install docker-compose

    Those are both cli “programs”. They aren’t apps like you have on Windows. It seems VERY intimidating to talk into the void of the terminal, but you’ll build confidence. Docker commands work like any other commands, all in the same place.

    Now install Portainer CE. The instructions are very simple to follow. You can reach Portainer through your browser at the localhost address it gives you, which you type directly into the URL bar. I think it’s http://localhost:9000.

    Portainer will give you an easy visual way to manage Docker. You can perform many tasks through Portainer instead of using the command line. Honestly, I’m pretty sure you could do everything on Portainer and not even touch the terminal. I don’t suggest that because you will have to have at least a basic understanding of how Linux and Docker work. You will be confused, and you will feel crazy. Eventually, you’ll get more comfortable living in that psychosis.

    On to Docker Compose!! This is my preferred way to run containers. I have a designated folder in /opt that I use for my compose files. This way, I know exactly how I set up my programs. My memory is awful and I tweak things so often that I’ll completely forget how I have even gotten to this point or where ANY of my files are. It’s pretty easy to find docker compose files online that you can copy and paste and it instantly works!

    To make it simple, after I have saved my docker-compose.yaml file in the designated folder, I right click on the empty area and choose “open in terminal”.

    $sudo docker-compose up -d

    The -d instructs the program to continue to run, even if you exit out of the terminal. At this point, your container will also show up in portainer!

    I think that covers the basics. My biggest tip is to keep a notepad handy to write down commands that you have to search for. Your bookmarks will fill up very quickly otherwise. Expect to get stuck sometimes. Expect to spend hours trying to troubleshoot an issue, then have it suddenly work with no idea what you actually did to fix it. Accept the win and never touch it again.

    I have done fresh installs many times. Some because I’ve played with 10 different programs that I decided against and want the leftover files gone, some because I wanted to try different mixes of distros, and once because I legitimately broke the OS.

    Keep your important stuff on an external drive to avoid any loss and don’t be afraid to mess around with it!

    Btw, I’m a huge KDE plasma fan. It’s lighter than GNOME, but very user friendly. I’ve settled on Kubuntu as my distro of choice.

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      Well said. I’ve been using Linux for 15 years and using Docker for 6 years. I couldn’t have communicated as well as you did. You have a knack for teaching.

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      Don’t use docker-compose anymore, it’s been obsolete for a while now and won’t be getting new features.

      It’s best to add the docker official repo and install docker and docker-compose-plugin from there.

      The -plugin version acts as a docker subcommand (docker compose) and will be updated alongside docker going forward.