I believe your anecdote, but my Linux Mint install also took multiple days, BIOS visits, and lots of documentation searching. It’s a factor of how much the OS makers anticipated the specific hardware configuration and how out of date the partitions are configured.
My main point is that both can be frustrating, and there’s nothing consistent.
Did you also get most of the extra software installed at the same time or did you need to spend extra time getting all your non-OS software installed to make your computer actually useful?
Windows itself was installed during that time. Additional software installation took a few minutes. I installed stuff when I needed it thorough the day.
So nothing to really make Windows actually useful on reboot. In nearly the same amount of time with a Linux distro, you get a system that may well not need anything extra to be productive with on 1rst reboot.
(And yes, I have installed both OS systems from scratch dating back to dos).
I need to install all of my apps under Linux as well. Doesn’t make much of a difference. I don’t like the default browser, media player, torrent client, office suite, etc. that Mint ships with for example.
So it’s a matter of personal choices rather than one of necessity. To be honest I do the same with some of the software that Fedora installs, (I don’t need a suite like OpenOffice-- Abbiword and gnumeric are all I really need anymore), and some very specialized programs I use that most people have no need of. But none that has little to do with not having productive and usable software populating your first time boot.
I prefer starting with a netinstall and taking the time to choose the software I want rather than the kitchen sink distros. Or on Windows putting together one command to add what I want in a similar fashion, e.g. https://winstall.app/apps
Oh so you’re bad at using computers. Got it. I can have windows 11 without telemetry in 10 minutes and with a local user profile instead of a Microsoft account. This argument about what you were able to do and how long it took you doesn’t make you look cool or smart. It makes you look like you have no idea what you’re doing.
He may have been trying to install it on a potato or on something atypical. I struggled to get a clean Windows 10 install on a system with an old ASUS motherboard using its RAID controller and AHCI. Support didn’t seem to understand the problem, but they were a good sounding board while I figured it out over 3 evenings. By contrast, Windows 11 took all of 10 minutes to install with Rufus on a modern system. Sometimes you just end up with a system configuration that isn’t quite supported out of the box by a given OS, and it takes some third party drivers and some intermediary configurations to get things to load before you can get things working properly.
Yeah I was writing software since before you were born.
I’ve written multiple times in excruciating detail what horrors it was to install windows 11, and how fucking easy it was with Linux. Not going to repeat that, check my post history. But to be clear, I know what I’m doing and any normal person ehmoyldnt even have been able to do this windows install.
It doesn’t make me look bad it makes Microsoft look like shit because that’s what it is
Cool story bro. You must be so good at computer yet you can’t install windows. Also very cool that you think you know how old I am or what my experience is. I can do either blindfolded and have been doing so for decades. It’s really not that impressive. This is low level IT shit. Let’s all stand and applaud this guy who can’t install windows. Lol
I’ve done IT professionally for over 25 years, currently working as a CTO, still get my hand dirty.
Yes,I know damn well what I’m doing and yes, the windows installer is absolute horse shit. If I have to do a tonne of internet searches to be able to find out why an installer isn’t working, your isntallei sucks. If then it turns out that the is taller isn’t working because Microsoft sabotaged their ISO file so that it can only be written by some windows tool, then your installer sucks.
If then I need to again do a tonne of searches in why your installer isn’t working, then your installer sucks. If then it turns out it’s because of some BIOS setting, which you couldn’t even tell me straight up, then yeah, your installer really really sucks.
If then the installation still takes another frigging hour with god knows howa y unholy clicks of no no no NO NO NO for commercials and ads and shit, THEN YOUR INSTALLER SUCKS.
And yeah, it took me a grand total of 7 hours to get this shit done, whereas Linux, including downloading and burning takes less than an hour.
There is no comparison, windows sucks. Always has, but windows 11? Come on, get your head out of your ass.
Cool man, you’re still saying two completely different things. You either know what you’re doing or you spin your wheels installing windows fresh for an ENTIRE WORK DAY. There is no both.
Here, since you don’t know how to do it efficiently, let me learn you some. I configure my installer using a 3rd party program more often than not but that doesn’t make the biggest time difference to me. I use Rufus which gives you the option to preconfigure a local admin profile as well as skip the various check boxes about tracking info. You can also skip use the Rufus app to set up an installer that will work on unsupported CPUs. Easy and fast. Lastly, when you get into the OOBE, before you click anything, shift + f10 pulls up an admin CMD where you can run OOBE/BYPASSNRO to skip the network requirement.
Windows 11 is virtually the same installation as windows 10 at that point
By the way, you have not been in IT since before I was born. Come on down off your high horse. 25 years is long enough to be stuck in the old ways. There is still room to learn and plenty of time to choose not to be angry at strangers on the internet.
Just to add another anecdatum, I had the exact same experience installing Windows 11 this year. I have never had this much trouble installing an OS in the 20 years I’ve been screwing with computers.
Yeah it’s not always that simple. You haven’t been around long enough to see the stuff that can go wrong with installing Windows. For example I recently had Windows refuse to see both SSDs in a machine. All because of something called Intel VMD. Took me a handful of attempts before I found the problem.
When Windows installs work they are fairly simple if long, but when they don’t work oh boy.
The unplugging of internet to get a local account?
Also they disabled that for Windows Home.
Some Lemmy users are actually just wankers. I would like it if you all stopped. It’s especially great when I have people like you who probably aren’t even experienced in tech.
They disabled the local account for offline devices on all versions including IOT. The solution is to hit shift + f10 for CMD and then running OOBE\BYPASSNRO which enables that feature. But 90% of people setting up windows for the first time just create an account or use one they already have. Not that it’s better to do it that way. Just that it isn’t that difficult.
Ubuntu install takes 20 mins, including download and burning the USB. Make it 30, maybe?
My only windows 11 install took 7 hours, multiple days, BIOS visits, searching for documentation and hair pulling, all with the same machine.
Yeah, there is a difference
I believe your anecdote, but my Linux Mint install also took multiple days, BIOS visits, and lots of documentation searching. It’s a factor of how much the OS makers anticipated the specific hardware configuration and how out of date the partitions are configured.
My main point is that both can be frustrating, and there’s nothing consistent.
How the fuck. I seriously want to know. My W11 IoT installed under half an hour.
Did you also get most of the extra software installed at the same time or did you need to spend extra time getting all your non-OS software installed to make your computer actually useful?
Windows itself was installed during that time. Additional software installation took a few minutes. I installed stuff when I needed it thorough the day.
So nothing to really make Windows actually useful on reboot. In nearly the same amount of time with a Linux distro, you get a system that may well not need anything extra to be productive with on 1rst reboot.
(And yes, I have installed both OS systems from scratch dating back to dos).
I need to install all of my apps under Linux as well. Doesn’t make much of a difference. I don’t like the default browser, media player, torrent client, office suite, etc. that Mint ships with for example.
So it’s a matter of personal choices rather than one of necessity. To be honest I do the same with some of the software that Fedora installs, (I don’t need a suite like OpenOffice-- Abbiword and gnumeric are all I really need anymore), and some very specialized programs I use that most people have no need of. But none that has little to do with not having productive and usable software populating your first time boot.
I prefer starting with a netinstall and taking the time to choose the software I want rather than the kitchen sink distros. Or on Windows putting together one command to add what I want in a similar fashion, e.g. https://winstall.app/apps
Pretty sure mine took 20 minutes to burn to USB. Maybe I need better jump drives.
Oh so you’re bad at using computers. Got it. I can have windows 11 without telemetry in 10 minutes and with a local user profile instead of a Microsoft account. This argument about what you were able to do and how long it took you doesn’t make you look cool or smart. It makes you look like you have no idea what you’re doing.
He may have been trying to install it on a potato or on something atypical. I struggled to get a clean Windows 10 install on a system with an old ASUS motherboard using its RAID controller and AHCI. Support didn’t seem to understand the problem, but they were a good sounding board while I figured it out over 3 evenings. By contrast, Windows 11 took all of 10 minutes to install with Rufus on a modern system. Sometimes you just end up with a system configuration that isn’t quite supported out of the box by a given OS, and it takes some third party drivers and some intermediary configurations to get things to load before you can get things working properly.
This actually happened to me before recently and all it took is one firmware setting. So frustrating.
Yeah I was writing software since before you were born.
I’ve written multiple times in excruciating detail what horrors it was to install windows 11, and how fucking easy it was with Linux. Not going to repeat that, check my post history. But to be clear, I know what I’m doing and any normal person ehmoyldnt even have been able to do this windows install.
It doesn’t make me look bad it makes Microsoft look like shit because that’s what it is
Cool story bro. You must be so good at computer yet you can’t install windows. Also very cool that you think you know how old I am or what my experience is. I can do either blindfolded and have been doing so for decades. It’s really not that impressive. This is low level IT shit. Let’s all stand and applaud this guy who can’t install windows. Lol
I’ve done IT professionally for over 25 years, currently working as a CTO, still get my hand dirty.
Yes,I know damn well what I’m doing and yes, the windows installer is absolute horse shit. If I have to do a tonne of internet searches to be able to find out why an installer isn’t working, your isntallei sucks. If then it turns out that the is taller isn’t working because Microsoft sabotaged their ISO file so that it can only be written by some windows tool, then your installer sucks.
If then I need to again do a tonne of searches in why your installer isn’t working, then your installer sucks. If then it turns out it’s because of some BIOS setting, which you couldn’t even tell me straight up, then yeah, your installer really really sucks.
If then the installation still takes another frigging hour with god knows howa y unholy clicks of no no no NO NO NO for commercials and ads and shit, THEN YOUR INSTALLER SUCKS.
And yeah, it took me a grand total of 7 hours to get this shit done, whereas Linux, including downloading and burning takes less than an hour.
There is no comparison, windows sucks. Always has, but windows 11? Come on, get your head out of your ass.
Cool man, you’re still saying two completely different things. You either know what you’re doing or you spin your wheels installing windows fresh for an ENTIRE WORK DAY. There is no both.
Here, since you don’t know how to do it efficiently, let me learn you some. I configure my installer using a 3rd party program more often than not but that doesn’t make the biggest time difference to me. I use Rufus which gives you the option to preconfigure a local admin profile as well as skip the various check boxes about tracking info. You can also skip use the Rufus app to set up an installer that will work on unsupported CPUs. Easy and fast. Lastly, when you get into the OOBE, before you click anything, shift + f10 pulls up an admin CMD where you can run OOBE/BYPASSNRO to skip the network requirement.
Windows 11 is virtually the same installation as windows 10 at that point
By the way, you have not been in IT since before I was born. Come on down off your high horse. 25 years is long enough to be stuck in the old ways. There is still room to learn and plenty of time to choose not to be angry at strangers on the internet.
And how many hours more to get all the drivers working properly?
If it takes multiple hours to install Windows for you, better to stick to OSes you do know.
9 out of 10 times?
Nothing, it all works out the box
Just to add another anecdatum, I had the exact same experience installing Windows 11 this year. I have never had this much trouble installing an OS in the 20 years I’ve been screwing with computers.
Damn, which part did you get stuck?
The clicking “next” part?
The unplugging of internet to get a local account?
Or the running of a debloating script?
Wow, you’re a jerk.
Yep and somehow people who don’t know better are up voting him. Not surprising for this platform.
Yeah it’s not always that simple. You haven’t been around long enough to see the stuff that can go wrong with installing Windows. For example I recently had Windows refuse to see both SSDs in a machine. All because of something called Intel VMD. Took me a handful of attempts before I found the problem.
When Windows installs work they are fairly simple if long, but when they don’t work oh boy.
Also they disabled that for Windows Home.
Some Lemmy users are actually just wankers. I would like it if you all stopped. It’s especially great when I have people like you who probably aren’t even experienced in tech.
They disabled the local account for offline devices on all versions including IOT. The solution is to hit shift + f10 for CMD and then running OOBE\BYPASSNRO which enables that feature. But 90% of people setting up windows for the first time just create an account or use one they already have. Not that it’s better to do it that way. Just that it isn’t that difficult.