• nekandro@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    Let’s be clear: your claim is that no fighting occurred before Russia’s invasion in 2022?

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      8 months ago

      No? That is exactly why I didn’t enter a date in my post…

      Putte did attack Crimea in 2014, that is what I consider the start of the current conflict.

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        8 months ago

        You mean the conflict that literally started with the people of Donetsk and Luhansk taking up arms against a government that was explicitly shutting down their language and implementing outright oppressive laws against their ethnicities?

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        8 months ago

        Putte? Is this some language thing or an infantile baby name a la Putler?

        The roots of the conflict lie in the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union

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          8 months ago

          The remnants of your alcohol diluted brains lie in the Soviet Union. The dissolution of USSR was not illegal, the formation of it was.

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              8 months ago

              I should have probably said Soviet empire or whatever. Obviously I meant the aggressive expansion and funsie deals with nazies so they both get to commit their own little genocides

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                8 months ago

                The Red Army stopped the Holocaust and saved the world from fascism while the western powers were playing with their dicks in Africa. They only invaded France after it became clear that Soviet victory was inevitable in order to prevent Western Europe from being liberated from capitalism.

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                  8 months ago

                  Just because soviets did 1 right thing after nazis stabbed them in the back, doesn’t make them the good guys. Somehow you forgot to mention that soviet rapearmy also illegally occupied all the territory they passed on the way to Berlin

                  • JamesConeZone [they/them]@hexbear.net
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                    8 months ago

                    You’re wrong on two key points:

                    1. USSR and Nazi Germany only made a nonaggression act after other Western countries did because Western powers purposefully did not invite the USSR. It was a way to try to protect Czechslovakia and Poland since the Westerns were simply giving up Central Europe to the Nazis. You can read more about it here.

                    2. The famine in the USSR was not a genocide. That is Nazi propaganda. Read about it here.

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                    8 months ago

                    I don’t smoke because it’s bad for my lungs.

                    That said, I’ll leave you with a quote from Thomas Mann,

                    To place Russian communism on the same moral level with Nazi fascism, because both are totalitarian, is, at best, superficial, in the worse case it is fascism. He who insists on this equality may be a democrat; in truth and in his heart, he is already a fascist, and will surely fight fascism with insincerity and appearance, but with complete hatred only communism.

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          Putte is a Swedish name that is commonly used to talk down to a person, calling them small, it is similar to Putin, and I like insulting dickheads with imperial dreams.

          As for the “illegal” dissolution of the Soviet Union, that is a different discussion and happened 22 years before the invasion of Crimea, and can’t be used as an excuse for the invasion in any rational argument based in reality.

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                  8 months ago

                  Ooh! I like this game! Let me try:

                  “I contribute nothing to the conversation. After decades of festering in poverty and a perverse environment, and seeing how others are wealthier, smarter, better looking, and overall better people than me, I have become so jaded that I serve merely as a refined vessel of snark and pessimism.”

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                    festering in poverty and a perverse environment, and seeing how others are wealthier, smarter, better looking, and overall better people than me

                    Whoa a fascist with an inflated opinion of themselves? No way!

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            8 months ago

            So it’s both, got it.

            It’s not an excuse, it’s a cause. It causes regional instability that eventually results in a civil war in 2013 that escalates further in 2022

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        8 months ago

        If Japan, South Korea or whoever suddenly had a Chinese backed coup and took control of US naval bases in their country, what do you think the US response would be?

        Because that’s exactly what happened in Ukraine. US backed coup, Russia moves in to Crimea to secure it’s black sea naval base.

        Is this the first time you are hearing this?

        Here’s another what if. What if Scotland voted for independence from the UK and became socialist or whatever. Do you think England wouldn’t seize is nuclear submarine bases north of Glasgow?

        How fucking baby brained are you?