The irony of you telling me to stop posting Nazi propaganda and then linking an article with zero sources that many historians have already called out as just being a Nazi smear article not based in historical fact whatsoever.
Not really the “gotcha” you were going for but you believe whatever you wanna believe I guess.
This is really not contentious in Germany, there is a consensus amongst historians and the third reich is well researched. So I don’t know how you can close your eyes to the facts.
My father is a historian. Has a degree in world history. Plus that article has been posted to several history forums over the last ~10+ish years as best I can tell and not once has it included sources or been taken seriously by any of the historians that read it.
You’ve then linked a German website and a German Wikipedia page. I am not fluent in German so I can’t read them, but they are both German hosted so I suspect some modern German biases probably apply. It would behoove any and all Germans to forever distance themselves from Hitler whenever possible but I also see that extending past reality with people trying rewrite history such as yourself.
Pre-Nazi Germany had something like ~15-20km of Autobahn built. Post-Nazi Germany had almost ~4000km of Autobahn. Stop trying to come at me with some “Nazi propaganda” bullshit. Those are both facts that you can independently verify if you want.
It’s perfectly fine to despise the Nazis. I highly recommend it at all times. I DONT agree with trying to rewrite history because we don’t agree with the optics of it today.
Your fathers degree doesn’t matter if he didn’t researched this topic, world history is pretty big abd you can’t be an expert in everything.
Plus that article has been posted to several history forums over the last ~10+ish years as best I can tell and not once has it included sources or been taken seriously by any of the historians that read it.
Proof or it didn’t happen. 4chan doesn’t count as historical forum.
One of the major contributors was his insistence on building the highway/Autobahn.
This was your Sentence. And it is proven false.
I never said they didn’t build lots of autobahn, but it was neither their idea nor did it cause the german the economic economy to rebound. That were mainly jobs in weaüon manufacturing.
You’ve then linked a German website and a German Wikipedia page. I am not fluent in German so I can’t read them, but they are both German hosted so I suspect some modern German biases probably apply. It would behoove any and all Germans to forever distance themselves from Hitler whenever possible but I also see that extending past reality with people trying rewrite history such as yourself.
You know you can translate websites with google or deepl to do a cursory check? Here, i did the work for you and found you an english source.
But ultimately, just fuck off for your general dismissal of german historians and their research. You have no fucking clue, but think you know better. Fucking delusional. If there are any systemic biases there should be at least one academic paper talking about that…
I don’t know why you have to defend hitler this much, even in face of several linked sources with only your dad as your witness, but it’s really infuriating.
Pretty fuckin insulting to tell me my father’s degree doesn’t matter. Also WW2 was/is a pretty fucking important time in the world history so it gets a lot of coverage. Especially what the Germans were doing leading up to the start of the war as it’s kinda relevant to how the whole thing happened in the first place.
That initial article you posted which again has ZERO FUCKING SOURCES has been posted on multiple history subreddits as well as a few times on other more history specific forums/sites.
The majority of Germans at the time didn’t want to finish the Autobahn as it was seen as a waste of time and resources. Hitler was the one that saw the potential and pushed to make it happen.
Now for this last part I’ll say it really slowly so your lone remaining braincell can understand me.
HITLER WAS AND WLL ALWAYS A TERRIBLE, EVIL PERSON. THE NAZIS WERE AND ALWAYS WILL BE HORRIBLE PEOPLE.
You came into a conversation that wasn’t even really about Hitler and you highjacked it with your unsubstantiated revisionist German “history” while screaming about Nazi propaganda.
Back to my original conversation. Good people that helped many have also done bad things. Bad people who were evil have also done good things. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Your inability to admit that such a terrible person could have ever done anything perceived as “good” is really alarming. You are in denial of reality because of your deep (and valid) hatred for that man. You can admit that Hitler did things that had a positive impact on Germany in the long term. It doesn’t undo anything evil he did. The two facts can coexist.
I’m not defending Hitler as a person nor am I defending the Nazi party in any way. I was simply pointing out that something those terrible people did happens to have ended up as a good thing later on down the line. It does not excuse their other actions in any way.
Pretty fuckin insulting to tell me my father’s degree doesn’t matter.
To this discussion. Also, as you probably don’t want to doxx yourself you can’t cite him, i can’t know if you’re lying, so it’s not relevant until you link a paper or something of his on this topic.
That initial article you posted which again has ZERO FUCKING SOURCES has been posted on multiple history subreddits as well as a few times on other more history specific forums/sites.
And the other sources are discredited by reddit too?
Also WW2 was/is a pretty fucking important time in the world history so it gets a lot of coverage. Especially what the Germans were doing leading up to the start of the war as it’s kinda relevant to how the whole thing happened in the first place.
So it should be easy for you to cite sources which confirm that the Autobahn construction caused a major boost to the german economy comparable to the weapons industry.
The majority of Germans at the time didn’t want to finish the Autobahn as it was seen as a waste of time and resources. Hitler was the one that saw the potential and pushed to make it happen.
Hitler appropriated already existing plans. Cite sources if you want me to believe this.
I came into a conversation where you were spreading myths and propaganda without sources but with a conviction. I assumed you just didn’t know and send you the first article which google showed. I added further links to sources, which is more than you did.
Good people that helped many have also done bad things. Bad people who were evil have also done good things. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Show me where I disputed this claim. I also think its true, but your examples are trash.
I can admit that hitler did some good stuff, but the autobahns are not the example for it. Maybe animal protection laws, speed limits near schools and most of all, he’s sabotaged the german war effort and was the guy to kill Hitler.
So get off your high horse and ask your dad for some sources.
The irony of you telling me to stop posting Nazi propaganda and then linking an article with zero sources that many historians have already called out as just being a Nazi smear article not based in historical fact whatsoever.
Not really the “gotcha” you were going for but you believe whatever you wanna believe I guess.
What historians called this article nazi smear?
This is really not contentious in Germany, there is a consensus amongst historians and the third reich is well researched. So I don’t know how you can close your eyes to the facts.
If you want more sources with sources:
https://www.bpb.de/themen/antisemitismus/dossier-antisemitismus/504205/autobahn/
Schulz, Eckhardt / Gruber, Erhard: Mythos Reichsautobahn. Bau und Inszenierung der “Straßen des Führers” 1933–1941, Berlin 1996.
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsautobahn#Mythen_und_Motive
Kiran Klaus Patel: „Soldaten der Arbeit“. Arbeitsdienste in Deutschland und den USA 1933–1945. Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht
Gotcha.
Now please edit your primary comment to not distribute nazi propaganda. Dankeschön.
My father is a historian. Has a degree in world history. Plus that article has been posted to several history forums over the last ~10+ish years as best I can tell and not once has it included sources or been taken seriously by any of the historians that read it.
You’ve then linked a German website and a German Wikipedia page. I am not fluent in German so I can’t read them, but they are both German hosted so I suspect some modern German biases probably apply. It would behoove any and all Germans to forever distance themselves from Hitler whenever possible but I also see that extending past reality with people trying rewrite history such as yourself.
Pre-Nazi Germany had something like ~15-20km of Autobahn built. Post-Nazi Germany had almost ~4000km of Autobahn. Stop trying to come at me with some “Nazi propaganda” bullshit. Those are both facts that you can independently verify if you want.
It’s perfectly fine to despise the Nazis. I highly recommend it at all times. I DONT agree with trying to rewrite history because we don’t agree with the optics of it today.
Have a good day teletubbyzurückwinker.
Your fathers degree doesn’t matter if he didn’t researched this topic, world history is pretty big abd you can’t be an expert in everything.
Proof or it didn’t happen. 4chan doesn’t count as historical forum.
This was your Sentence. And it is proven false.
I never said they didn’t build lots of autobahn, but it was neither their idea nor did it cause the german the economic economy to rebound. That were mainly jobs in weaüon manufacturing.
You know you can translate websites with google or deepl to do a cursory check? Here, i did the work for you and found you an english source. But ultimately, just fuck off for your general dismissal of german historians and their research. You have no fucking clue, but think you know better. Fucking delusional. If there are any systemic biases there should be at least one academic paper talking about that…
I don’t know why you have to defend hitler this much, even in face of several linked sources with only your dad as your witness, but it’s really infuriating.
Pretty fuckin insulting to tell me my father’s degree doesn’t matter. Also WW2 was/is a pretty fucking important time in the world history so it gets a lot of coverage. Especially what the Germans were doing leading up to the start of the war as it’s kinda relevant to how the whole thing happened in the first place.
That initial article you posted which again has ZERO FUCKING SOURCES has been posted on multiple history subreddits as well as a few times on other more history specific forums/sites.
The majority of Germans at the time didn’t want to finish the Autobahn as it was seen as a waste of time and resources. Hitler was the one that saw the potential and pushed to make it happen.
Now for this last part I’ll say it really slowly so your lone remaining braincell can understand me.
HITLER WAS AND WLL ALWAYS A TERRIBLE, EVIL PERSON. THE NAZIS WERE AND ALWAYS WILL BE HORRIBLE PEOPLE.
You came into a conversation that wasn’t even really about Hitler and you highjacked it with your unsubstantiated revisionist German “history” while screaming about Nazi propaganda.
Back to my original conversation. Good people that helped many have also done bad things. Bad people who were evil have also done good things. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Your inability to admit that such a terrible person could have ever done anything perceived as “good” is really alarming. You are in denial of reality because of your deep (and valid) hatred for that man. You can admit that Hitler did things that had a positive impact on Germany in the long term. It doesn’t undo anything evil he did. The two facts can coexist.
I’m not defending Hitler as a person nor am I defending the Nazi party in any way. I was simply pointing out that something those terrible people did happens to have ended up as a good thing later on down the line. It does not excuse their other actions in any way.
To this discussion. Also, as you probably don’t want to doxx yourself you can’t cite him, i can’t know if you’re lying, so it’s not relevant until you link a paper or something of his on this topic.
And the other sources are discredited by reddit too?
So it should be easy for you to cite sources which confirm that the Autobahn construction caused a major boost to the german economy comparable to the weapons industry.
Hitler appropriated already existing plans. Cite sources if you want me to believe this.
I came into a conversation where you were spreading myths and propaganda without sources but with a conviction. I assumed you just didn’t know and send you the first article which google showed. I added further links to sources, which is more than you did.
Show me where I disputed this claim. I also think its true, but your examples are trash.
I can admit that hitler did some good stuff, but the autobahns are not the example for it. Maybe animal protection laws, speed limits near schools and most of all, he’s sabotaged the german war effort and was the guy to kill Hitler.
So get off your high horse and ask your dad for some sources.