postmarketOS just gained my respect. To be fair there’s no point in running a Linux system without systemd as you’ll end up installing 32434 different RAM wasting services to handle things like cron, dns, ntp, mounts, sessions, log management etc.
Whether you like Systemd or not, let’s not spread disinformation.
All these things still exist with Systemd. They are just called Systemd dash something. Also, while Systemd is feature rich, it is pretty heavy relative to many alternatives.
Distros that avoid Systemd typically do so because they consider it bloated and possibly insecure.
If you are a fan of Systemd, it is probably because you like the standardization and the integration across previously disparate services. That makes sense. If you think it is making your system faster or lighter, you have not explored the alternatives. Obviously Systemd was a big leap forward in init. Other systems have appeared that also work really well but they are probably too late to matter mainstream. The “market” has spoken and Systemd is the winner.
I’ve yet to find a use-case for “making my system lighter” by exchanging a daemon that takes <0.1% of my total system memory for a bunch of poorly maintained bash scripts.
Routers lack storage and RAM both of which are used up by using a heavier init. Most of the time you will see a very basic system start services by putting them in init.d
I believe @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 's point was that in OpenWRT and others it makes more sense to have smaller daemons instead of system because they aren’t using the standard ones you’ll usually find under Debian and other Linux distros. They take daemons and slim them down to the point they becomes smaller and more efficient than systemd at the cost of features that aren’t required on routers.
postmarketOS just gained my respect. To be fair there’s no point in running a Linux system without systemd as you’ll end up installing 32434 different RAM wasting services to handle things like cron, dns, ntp, mounts, sessions, log management etc.
Whether you like Systemd or not, let’s not spread disinformation.
All these things still exist with Systemd. They are just called Systemd dash something. Also, while Systemd is feature rich, it is pretty heavy relative to many alternatives.
Distros that avoid Systemd typically do so because they consider it bloated and possibly insecure.
If you are a fan of Systemd, it is probably because you like the standardization and the integration across previously disparate services. That makes sense. If you think it is making your system faster or lighter, you have not explored the alternatives. Obviously Systemd was a big leap forward in init. Other systems have appeared that also work really well but they are probably too late to matter mainstream. The “market” has spoken and Systemd is the winner.
I’ve yet to find a use-case for “making my system lighter” by exchanging a daemon that takes <0.1% of my total system memory for a bunch of poorly maintained bash scripts.
The only time it does make sense is on minimal systems like routers
because we all know that routers have so much RAM that installing DNS, NTP, mounts, session, log management isn’t a problem? something doesn’t add up…
Routers lack storage and RAM both of which are used up by using a heavier init. Most of the time you will see a very basic system start services by putting them in init.d
Man my router has 512 Gigs and 16 gigs or RAM. R
Mine has 128mb of ram. What on earth are you running on your router than needs that much hardware. I just bought a device from Walmart
Probably running OPNSense in a VM.
With 16gb or ram?
I believe @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 's point was that in OpenWRT and others it makes more sense to have smaller daemons instead of system because they aren’t using the standard ones you’ll usually find under Debian and other Linux distros. They take daemons and slim them down to the point they becomes smaller and more efficient than systemd at the cost of features that aren’t required on routers.