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Yes, this means a ton of carbon ends up in the atmosphere instead of in the trees. The right move would be thinning and prescribed burns, but this administration isn’t going to do that.
These are our forests. They belong to the US people. They’re being stolen from us. For private profit of a few.
It’s an American tradition.
You stole that whole country
Moot, pointless, argument.
This argument accomplishes what exactly? Aside from trying to just stir the pot or create culture war drama?
It’s okay for public lands to be raped and razed now? Because (like damn near all the land in the world, everywhere) was taken during war/conflict?
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oddly relevant
Our native Americans the only ones who are allowed to be concerned about the country it’s land and the environment?
Your argument and point again only serves to further the culture war aspect of this and does nothing to address the problem at hand.
no but only being concerned now when it directly impacts you is pretty funny
the original comment was about ‘we’re being stolen from’ seems pretty relevant but I get how white America doesn’t want to think about it
that’s just your little opinion
A little opinion is appropriate in response to a small minded comment.
No one asked for yours anyway.
And are you mislabeling it as ‘small minded’ bcs it’s directly confronting your hypocrisy?
Looks like you’ve got a case of the projections.No one asked for yours anyway.
And who asked for yours? Are you just special?
And are you mislabeling it as ‘small minded’ bcs it’s directly confronting your hypocrisy?
LOL, I’m not an American.
Looks like you’ve got a case of the projections.
ROFLMAO I can’t even, ZERO self awareness with this bloke.
Oh you’re from the country that’s clearly in the same boat.
Or the bigger boat since you plundered a lot more.imagine feeling the need to get involved when you have no skin in the game
how about you watch your people get fucked a few generations and while it’s going on this moment people are complaining about your response over their hypocrisy
Ah, a troll.
“They’re gonna chop down national forests”
“bUt WhAT aBoUt ThE iNdIaNs???”
bruh
more like ‘now you care? lol’
Sorry I didn’t care 400 years ago. I’ll try harder.
How many cared when it was decided there would be an oil pipeline through the pittance they were relegated to? More land stolen, and everything around it polluted in time to add insult to injury.
Did you care then, just a few years ago?
I mean, people didn’t do nothing.
Not near enough to actually change a damn thing though, was it?
I mean shit, the company responsible is now trying to take down Greenpeace -the entire entity- in court over the whole affair, it is that confident in how fucked the US judicial system is.
They got to choose where to hold a trial with global ramifications, and tainted the entire possible jury pool by restricting it to some poxy little oil town that would cease to exist if not for the oil industry.
How many of you turned out to protest that?
that’s better than nothing but that’s self interest and farmers were right to be worried
none of that changes anything on a national level nor changed the actual outcome so the criticism is still valid
it’s happening to native lands in the US while we speak, the fact you are not even aware earns the ‘lol’
Americans get real mad when confronted with their hypocrisy.
What country are you from, and how many people did it ship over to north america to colonize it?
lol this thread full of privileged white Americans is whining about takes and then you drop this and it’s upvoted
double down on the hypocrisy guys
We didn’t export criminals.
And besides the point, it’s about admitting it happened.
Which is very difficult for Americans looking at the angry reactions.
yep
“bUt WhAT aBoUt ThE iNdIaNs???”
bruh
The opinion of people who write like this can’t be take seriously
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Whataboutism.
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
The point is that you admit your wrongs.
As they clearly can’t and get very defensive, as hypocrites do.
I mean, as the other guy pointed out, you as a people stole the fucking lot and literally massacred thousands upon thousands of people to do it.
Shoe’s on the other foot now, eh?
Ah yes, because native Americans celebrate the raping of their lands as long as the people who took it from them hundreds of years ago descendants (unlikely, given how many generations are immigrants) are also having their lands raped too.
Get the fuck out here with this brain-rot level argument. 🤦
Go stir the pot somewhere else.
that shit didn’t stop happening ‘hundreds of years ago’ natives are getting fucked over by America regarding land rights as we speak
fuck off yourself
obviously you wouldn’t know this though because it only matters when it happens to you, typical privileged white america
You’re right in that it was a comment designed to “stir the pot”, if by that you mean, “make someone stop for a moment and consider their position in history”.
I agree that any right thinking person, of Native American origin or otherwise should be aghast at the current US administrations utter destruction of everything, from old growth forest to human structures of civilisation.
Reading it back, my comment sounds flippant and ignorant. That’s on me for commenting pre-coffee and smoke. 💛
Reading it back, my comment sounds flippant and ignorant.
I don’t think you all on .ee can help that, you seem to be solely a propaganda instance.
Funny you say that from the padded room instance. 🤣
Have you even looked at my comment history to decide what kind of person I am, or did you decide that purely from where I registered my account over a year ago?
Have I seen you around yes, I believe we’ve even interacted before. That said no in don’t profile creep which is why I made a general statement I think I’m probably correct on.
And Britain stole the world, what point does any of this make? What do you want done about it?
They did. And created and taught others some of the most reprehensible methods of population control and genocide the world has ever seen.
Acknowledging it rather than denying it. Learning from the darkest parts of our history, to never have it be repeated is what I want done.
Ignorance of our history is why it keeps repeating itself. Gestures widely
yea if 60% ish of America could self reflect we’d not be in the state we are today
Both times it was the government to the greatest extent.
“The government” offered money for the task, and thousands took that money and got on with the job.
“The Government” is people. Usually the worst, most manipulative self-serving people. It does what other people let it get away with.
Fuck. This kind of shit is why I feel the need for revenge on these people. They’re slashing forests and impoverishing the population. It’s not enough for them to lose an election. they need to pay
I want my pound of fucking flesh.
Uhm, why can he just decide this? Not part of his expertise or departement.
Trump doesn’t like that the US buys lumber from Canada. He’s going to announce 34% tariffs on lumber from Canada in the next few days.
Other than the Pacific northwest most U.S. forest trees do not make good building lumber.
The rest is an assault on the natural world.
In addition to the blanket tariffs already announced? Seriously I think that guy might be an evil alien supervillain or something. He seems to be doing his best to ruin the world in any way he can.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/us-hikes-softwood-lumber-duties-1.7503120
He’s out to cripple Canada’s economy, then he’ll attempt to invade it. True evil.
I honestly would prefer that. I don’t want to think of Trump as a member of the human race. Plus, it would imply that the bad guys are actually competent. The Trump Regime isn’t just evil, it is weaponized secondhand embarrassment.
That our government has been reacting to his shit rather than controlling it is infuriating.
Some national parks might be protected by legislation, such as the Yosemite Act of 1864, but massive amounts of land were protected by the executive branch such as Teddy Roosevelt protecting 150 Million Acres of forest and Joseph Biden protecting 674 Million Acres.
Then you also have Treaties with native americans which can be considered law if Republicans actually acknowledged them as such (they don’t).
National Forest Service is a part of the Department of Agriculture, part of the executive branch.
Yeah, but he can decide that alone?
He appoints and directs the head of the department who, in turn, can more or less do so. They’ve been blatantly ignoring status quo and legal authority for a while now, so unless the supreme court gets the case and disagrees, they’re unlikely to stop.
It’s the goal of project 2025 that he is able to.
America is a dumpster fire lol, they have all these “checks and balances” but then one guy can just make all the trade policy and land use decisions by decree. What even is the point of their congress
The problem is that Congress is controlled by people who are Trump sycophants — the Republican Party kicked out everybody who wasn’t.
All governments at some level run on the honor system. When the whole government colludes to not honor the system, you get this.
Problem is that both houses majorities support the lunatic, right now they’ve more or less given him a blank check to operate.
Historically, the two party system has meant that Congress either votes with the presidents wishes or against when it comes to legislation, but Congress doesn’t directly approve/disprove of executive orders. To oppose executive orders, Congress needs to pass laws that override the orders. That wont happen unless the majority becomes convinced they’ll lose elections if they keep supporting trump.
It’ll be up to the Judicial Branch to directly rule for/against this order. But the judicial branch only truly has power so long as the executive complies. We’re close to hitting the test of that power balance on some of his earlier orders.
Fun fact: the law enforcement of the Judicial Branch is technically an agency under the Executive Branch. Not a problem if people are largely operating in good faith with the law, or at least fear repurcussions if they don’t comply… But since Trump doesn’t fear repurcussion, this fun fact may be the oversight that breaks the consitution.
Checks and balances all died with citizens united….only one left is the second amendment
The 2nd amendment is part of the Bill of rights which he already trampled multiple times. There is no right to bear arms anymore, they just haven’t had a reason to round anyone who uses them up yet.
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Any solution that stops short of essentially a factory reset (really should go further tbh) is going to land us here again
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We get 30% of our lumber from Canada. This is the inevitable consequence of shutting our borders to trade via tariffs - if these policies stick around for four years, sure, we may bring some manufacturing home at great immediate cost, but we’ll also be bringing home the environmental burdens of manufacturing (the negative externalities) which we’ve been pushing onto other countries and ignoring for decades. In the meantime, other countries have started to learn how to handle those externalities, like China’s big push for solar power. In America, we’ve got an idiot who is rolling back worker safety, health and environmental protections, the list goes on. So even if these tariffs worked, we’re going to be living in a less healthy place, all in the name of jobs…
This has nothing to do with the tariffs; even if those weren’t happening Trump would be selling the trees off to his cronies anyway. It’s a blatantly corrupt kleptocracy.
It has everything to do with lumber tariffs, it’s just the other end of the equation. The forests are the supply, and the tariffs will create the demand.
They are privatizing every single thing.
Nothing to do with Tariffs. They just make the business more juicy for his cronies.
The trees can’t be harmed if the lorax is armed. You touch his trees, he aims for your knees.
Go go go, Tonya Harding!
Trump has two legs. Just sayin
The Black Knight always triumphs!
It’s just a flesh wound!
So just cut one off. Gotcha
The absolute level of stupidity of this is ridiculous. Lumber mills are not designed for old growth trees in the modern era, so all these trees will not even become lumber. Logging has become very sustainable in recent decades. They farm trees and mill them when they reach the size that the machinery at the mills is optimized for. If we just cut down all the forests, the mills can’t even process the logs even though it’s better lumber. In reality, they’d just send the old growth logs to be ground for pulp which is a total waste. This video does a good job explaining it.
I think Trump is clearing land for the techno-fiefs that Project 2025 wants to create among the head fascists. He hands out land parcels, gets a reacharound from Thiel and company.
Heil Praxis
Ugh I hate that they used that word
Trump is speedrunning to aim for the lowest biodiversity index in North America.
Maybe if we stop ridiculously subisidising corn everywhere, some that gets thrown away because we have way too much, we could replace a couple dozen sq km of corn fields with more sustainable agroforestry, and thereby massively increase our logging output, instead of yk, cutting down the last wildlife sanctuaries? Not holding my breath tho.
i comfort myself with the knowledge that most worlds are totally dead
zero wildlife is the normal state of things
extinction is only sad to the survivors, and soon enough there will be none left to mourn
My body is not ready for the amount of alcohol and dancing I am going to force myself to take part in on the day this motherfucker dies and goes to hell.
Literally, the most destructive and evil human on the planet since Hitler. I can’t wait until the worms get him. I kind of feel bad for them, but I guess it’s part of the job.
That scene in the matrix 2
Cutting down old growth Forrest take 50 years to repair the area after its stopped. What a mess.
Way longer than that. What grows back is not old growth
Yep, can’t fix it in our lifetime
I thought i watch a video talking about 50 to 100 but its random YouTube guy soo you could be right and could very dependent on environment. Desertfication is hard to fix.
One of the many reasons I’m pissed at his voters every single day.
More like 150-300 if possible at all.
Now that’s waaaaay worst.
Finally, a good move by Trump. Those trees are taking up incredible amounts of water. This is water that could be used for more productive things, like being mixed with Kool-aid powder on a hot day. Moreover, the trees emit large amounts of oxygen, a dangerous corrosive gas. Don’t listen to liberals – tree hugging is a dangerous activity that can lead to abrasions from all the bark.
If there’s anything I learned from Dr. Seuss’ “The Lorax”, logging can lead to impressive industrial and commercial activity and has no downsides.
It’s insane that I’m 99% sure this is sarcasm, but that 1% has a voice telling me I can’t discount Maga being that stupid. This is the age we live in, incredible stupidity.
Fucking murder this fuck
I got a mod deletion the last time I said anything like this. Good luck and I fucking agree.
Fortunately this community is on slrpnk.net which might not have the same kinds of trigger happy mods as .world?
You’ve got to be careful how you word it lest the gestapo come for you. I will derive pleasure from reading his obituary though.
I will also say that 18 U.S. Code § 2381 says that he should be well, you know. Or fined and put in jail for five years but that’s not as fun.
One can make useful items out of wood.
Guillotines, for example…
Gallows are another.
Guillotines are better.
Stakes
even better!
The Boats is a classic.
I, for one, would love to see the guy every Christian pretends is the reincarnation of Christ on a crucifix.
You know a fair chunk of us. Think he’s the Antichrist. However, we’re in the minority.
Holy shit, America, you are so fucked at this point.
It only the damage was contained within the USA’s borders.
