This fact doesn’t really invalidate the initial statement though.
We would not be experiencing what we are currently experiencing presently if the Dems won. This isn’t an endorsement of the Dems, just reality
I view voting as a means to steer us to possibilities. Revolution and change won’t come through the ballot box but who gets voted in can influence that one way or another.
There’s nothing incorrect about this comment but I get the feeling you’re getting something backwards. Dems weren’t getting anyone closer to revolution, but Trump is. Under the past few Democratic admins, most of the US were complacent and they just put their faith in the imagined progressive forces of the Democratic Party to make things better. Under the Republicans, way more people get radicalized and start to look for solutions outside of electoralism. That does come with the flipside that the Republicans are more brazen about crushing dissent and arresting protesters, but Democrats also happily use the surveillance state and the militarized police against the left (see: Palestine encampment crackdowns last year).
Under the past few Democratic admins, most of the US were complacent and they just put their faith in the imagined progressive forces of the Democratic Party to make things better. Under the Republicans, way more people get radicalized and start to look for solutions outside of electoralism.
If Harris wins, the Democratic base will continue to sleep. You can do anything when the Dems are in the WH. It was under Trump that protesters shut down airport terminals, but under Biden the base sleeps regarding immigration & asylum. That’s what Glenn Greenwald and I learned from the GWB to Obama transition: the Dems sleep when their team is in office. Greenwald “changed” from hero to villain without changing the least bit; the only difference was who was in office. Unlike the Dem-aligned media, he didn’t go to sleep.
You can war as much as you want. You can run a fucking star chamber. You can stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody.
That’s just another way to admit you’re mainly upset about how it impacts you personally. Many, many people were already on the receiving end of US fascism and violence under Democrats.
What you’re advocating for is your own protection, and pretending it’s concern for others.
Interesting point but you’re trying very hard to twist “I don’t want any more people to get hurt” into a bad thing. I don’t think these sorts of word games or speculation where you hammer someone’s intentions into a mold that you can bash is healthy discussion.
This fact doesn’t really invalidate the initial statement though.
We would not be experiencing what we are currently experiencing presently if the Dems won. This isn’t an endorsement of the Dems, just reality
I view voting as a means to steer us to possibilities. Revolution and change won’t come through the ballot box but who gets voted in can influence that one way or another.
It’s not even a fact.
Conservatives could say the same thing.
The thing about a party that does nothing but maintain the status quo is they will never make things better.
I don’t think it’s healthy to feel morally superior for preventing progress.
But that is literally superior to making things worse. It’s not about feeling anything, it’s about outcomes.
There’s nothing incorrect about this comment but I get the feeling you’re getting something backwards. Dems weren’t getting anyone closer to revolution, but Trump is. Under the past few Democratic admins, most of the US were complacent and they just put their faith in the imagined progressive forces of the Democratic Party to make things better. Under the Republicans, way more people get radicalized and start to look for solutions outside of electoralism. That does come with the flipside that the Republicans are more brazen about crushing dissent and arresting protesters, but Democrats also happily use the surveillance state and the militarized police against the left (see: Palestine encampment crackdowns last year).
Me eight months ago:
That’s just another way to admit you’re mainly upset about how it impacts you personally. Many, many people were already on the receiving end of US fascism and violence under Democrats.
What you’re advocating for is your own protection, and pretending it’s concern for others.
Interesting point but you’re trying very hard to twist “I don’t want any more people to get hurt” into a bad thing. I don’t think these sorts of word games or speculation where you hammer someone’s intentions into a mold that you can bash is healthy discussion.
yeah nice try, not working. deal with the consequences