Iran was shocked by a massive opening blow in the middle of negotiations which allowed Israel to disable many launcher sites and take air superiority in those regions preventing Iran from accessing their full capacity.
Regardless of this, Israel still just couldn’t handle sustained pressure from Irans remaining weapons.
Israel started the war with the goal of regime change and destroying Irans nuclear capabilities, they did neither.
If the war starts back, Iran will still have the capacity to overwhelm Israeli defense and Israel will have to rely on another surprise attack, which is much less likely now that Iran has seen their strategy for doing such.
It’s in no way an L for Iran, much less a massive one.
It’s an L for Iran in respect to killed military commanders and civilian toll, but an ever greater L to Israel because they not only failed the goal of regime change (if anything, made it more difficult by bombing Iranian civilians) but also experienced a breakdown in their defense capabilities and got bombarded for 12 days, breaking the facade that Israel is unable to experience repercussions for their violent aggressions
At no point should Iran ever not have expected Israeli strikes. This is what Israel did to Hezbollah as well. They took out many commanders and received almost no retailiation. Then Israel did it agains afterwards. And Israel will do so again with Iran because there is clearly no punishent.
Israel took air superiority but was not able to take out Iranian missile launchers. Israel fired many interceptors at each missile and appeared to be running out very soon. Israel was publicly signalling it wanted to tap out. Iran could have even taken a massive win by demanding a ceasefire in Gaza. But instead they chickened out and took the loss. Leaving Iran with their bombed nuclear facilities (not the mountains), and massacared army top. And Israel barely lost anything.
There’s a difference between expecting some form of attack at any moment and knowing the strategy and extent of opening attack to expect (internal Mossad agents activation to sabotage systems prior to a massive bombardment). Iran can now go into overdrive purging Mossad cells and account for the targets and strength of strike to expect next time, they aren’t Hezbollah, so they couldn’t assume they would get the same form of opening attack.
Israel didn’t destroy, but they did disable the ability to use missile launchers in certain regions, the reason the missile barrages were limited to around 20 at a time towards the middle-end was because Iran had to resort to Guerilla tactics, using smaller launch forces to strike then moving them back to safety before Israel could take them out. The capacity wasn’t destroyed, but it couldn’t be used to its full extent, because using it would open it up to getting destroyed.
How can you say there was clearly no punishment for Israel when we were seeing bombs dropped on Tel-Aviv, Trading ports, and military targets, and now the people realizing they can be hit back and they didn’t even get what they wanted. Israel wants us/their citizens to think there was no punishment and they achieved all their goals, but the truth is blatant.
Israel wasn’t running perfect defense and avoiding Iranian hits, then just when their defense was weak a ceasefire happened. The opposite if anything, Israel kept taking hits and only when the US showed willingness to be involved directly militarily to save them did Iran agree to ceasefire.
Obviously Iran didn’t end the Israeli regime, but they also withstood the Israeli aggression aimed at ending their regime.
I’m seeing a lot of defeatism about what should be a celebratory event for those who oppose the Israeli regime. We could build off of this moment.
Iran was shocked by a massive opening blow in the middle of negotiations which allowed Israel to disable many launcher sites and take air superiority in those regions preventing Iran from accessing their full capacity.
Regardless of this, Israel still just couldn’t handle sustained pressure from Irans remaining weapons.
Israel started the war with the goal of regime change and destroying Irans nuclear capabilities, they did neither.
If the war starts back, Iran will still have the capacity to overwhelm Israeli defense and Israel will have to rely on another surprise attack, which is much less likely now that Iran has seen their strategy for doing such.
It’s in no way an L for Iran, much less a massive one.
It’s an L for Iran in respect to killed military commanders and civilian toll, but an ever greater L to Israel because they not only failed the goal of regime change (if anything, made it more difficult by bombing Iranian civilians) but also experienced a breakdown in their defense capabilities and got bombarded for 12 days, breaking the facade that Israel is unable to experience repercussions for their violent aggressions
At no point should Iran ever not have expected Israeli strikes. This is what Israel did to Hezbollah as well. They took out many commanders and received almost no retailiation. Then Israel did it agains afterwards. And Israel will do so again with Iran because there is clearly no punishent.
Israel took air superiority but was not able to take out Iranian missile launchers. Israel fired many interceptors at each missile and appeared to be running out very soon. Israel was publicly signalling it wanted to tap out. Iran could have even taken a massive win by demanding a ceasefire in Gaza. But instead they chickened out and took the loss. Leaving Iran with their bombed nuclear facilities (not the mountains), and massacared army top. And Israel barely lost anything.
There’s a difference between expecting some form of attack at any moment and knowing the strategy and extent of opening attack to expect (internal Mossad agents activation to sabotage systems prior to a massive bombardment). Iran can now go into overdrive purging Mossad cells and account for the targets and strength of strike to expect next time, they aren’t Hezbollah, so they couldn’t assume they would get the same form of opening attack.
Israel didn’t destroy, but they did disable the ability to use missile launchers in certain regions, the reason the missile barrages were limited to around 20 at a time towards the middle-end was because Iran had to resort to Guerilla tactics, using smaller launch forces to strike then moving them back to safety before Israel could take them out. The capacity wasn’t destroyed, but it couldn’t be used to its full extent, because using it would open it up to getting destroyed.
How can you say there was clearly no punishment for Israel when we were seeing bombs dropped on Tel-Aviv, Trading ports, and military targets, and now the people realizing they can be hit back and they didn’t even get what they wanted. Israel wants us/their citizens to think there was no punishment and they achieved all their goals, but the truth is blatant.
Israel wasn’t running perfect defense and avoiding Iranian hits, then just when their defense was weak a ceasefire happened. The opposite if anything, Israel kept taking hits and only when the US showed willingness to be involved directly militarily to save them did Iran agree to ceasefire.
Obviously Iran didn’t end the Israeli regime, but they also withstood the Israeli aggression aimed at ending their regime.
I’m seeing a lot of defeatism about what should be a celebratory event for those who oppose the Israeli regime. We could build off of this moment.