• imrighthere@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    Nobody is doing this because trump wants it, they’re doing it because america is a threat.

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      1 day ago

      Trump is the one who pushed for it in the first place! It was his idea. This is all driven by the US. Trump pushed NATO to a 5% target and Hegseth pushed Europe to reindustrialize their defense industry. There’s no way NATO was going to a 5% target if not for Trump. It’s entirely because he wants it.

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        1 day ago

        I mean in a way it’s because of Trump, but not because he asked for it. One of the largest militaries in the world is now in the hands of a fucked up abomination made up of a demented old narcissist, the Heritage Foundation and Russia.

        I honestly feel a lot better knowing Canada and Europe are putting more money into the military, especially given the annexation threats

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          23 hours ago

          It’s very much all happening at Trump’s behest. The idea that Trump is an actual threat to NATO is silly. Why would he push NATO countries to increase their defense spending target by 150% if he was planning on actually invading? He is very pleased with a more militarized NATO. He just used fear to motivate the public in NATO countries to open their wallets for more defense spending so the US can concentrate their resources on China. He scared and bullied NATO countries into doing what he wanted.

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            15 hours ago

            Why would he push NATO countries to increase their defense spending target by 150% if he was planning on actually invading?

            Trump isn’t planning to invade NATO (except maybe Greenland.) he’s planning to leave NATO. NATO exists to protect the Western world, and its highly interconnected economies. it’s a globalist project, and the US’s role as de-facto leader of NATO gave us the ability to project tremendous soft military power, the same way the dollar lets us project soft economic power.

            MAGA are isolationists. NATO protects “the West,” but Trump doesn’t care about the West, only America. so what if Putin carves up Europe? has Europe even said “thank you?” they’re screwing us over, just look at the trade deficit! that’s the logic.

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              7 hours ago

              The US isn’t leaving NATO. The US just got everything it wanted from NATO, and they still hold massive sway over the alliance. This was just another threat to put fear into the public and the leaders of NATO states so they would pay more money. That’s Trump’s main focus. He wants other people to pay for what suits the US instead of the US doing so.

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      1 day ago

      Do you really thing that most of the money will not br spend on american systems ? Why did they agree with exactly 5% why not 4% or 10% or sny other percentage?