• Fedizen@lemmy.world
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    Let’s take the obvious “Pro military for defense” first since that’s the most insane thing to think is a contentious political issue.

    There are 30% of people in the US that think aliens are real and have visited their asshole but you will not find 5% of people in america that oppose the military as a concept.

    What you’re doing here is being manipulated by people who want you to think some of these things are Important Issues™

    The trans women in sports is a great example of propaganda. It was cooked up by a conservative think tank. How many people are affected by this “problem”? Maybe 200? And in most cases sports organizations themselves often have rules in place like “how long you’d have to have been on hormone therapy to qualify.” That is already more or less a solved problem for most the people it actually affects. People playing sports didnt come up with the “trans people in sports issue”, a think tank did.

    So what you are …is manipulated by think tanks and propaganda and in a way that causes you to oppose people who otherwise have common interests with you.

    There’s only two real political philosophies and they can be summed up as “fuck you, I got mine” and “we’re all in this together.” I will tell you right now only the “fuck you, I got mine” group has any real interest in dehumanizing people by say, having the government ban trans people from public spaces and public activities like sports.

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      but you will not find 5% of people in america that oppose the military as a concept.

      Thats just your speculation. And do you mean people oppose the US having any military at all? 90% of the countries have a standing army, and the ones that dont are mostly small island countries.

      Why is that the line you draw?

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      And yet the comments and downvotes shows how contentious it is which I knew it would be when I wrote it.

      I know the trans-women in sport issue is almost non-existent but it’s probably the biggest talking point in the comments it seems.

      Personally I agree with you. I always vote left and am more of a “we’re in in together” mindset.

      Either way, thank you for you insight!

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        And yet the comments and downvotes shows how contentious it is which I knew it would be when I wrote it.

        Probably extra contentious because it’s trans discrimination on Pride weekend. And there’s the fact that some research (backed by the International Olympic Committee) suggests that trans-women may perform worse than cis-women.

        Even if more research comes out that shows otherwise (entirely possible considering that it’s hard to get a decent sample population of elite trans athletes as there are so few), discrimination is not a solution. The simplest solution would be to get rid of gendered leagues and group athletes by measureable athletic abilities. Probably would make most people with an actual vested interest happy, with exception of those who want to keep paying women less.

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          Oh wow, I did not know that! For both points. It’s great to see more research, I skimmed a little but I’ll read it right after this comment.

          I like the idea of athletes competing against one another purely to see who is best overall. But I’d be worried that could possibly be more discriminatory. Such as in bouldering there was recently a controversial issue with a short climber not being able to compete in some climbs due to certain starting holds being too far apart. So something like weight classes but that considers a lot more depending on the sport?

          Thanks so much for your reply and your linked study! I’m really happy for comments like yours.

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        I know the trans-women in sport issue is almost non-existent but it’s probably the biggest talking point in the comments it seems.

        Says the person who brought it up.

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          2 hours ago

          It was simpily an argument for me being centrist and therefore legitimate centrist existing.

          It clearly worked in demonstrating what a centrists opinions are like and no one has so far argued I fall on one side or the other.

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            2 hours ago

            Sure. just bring up divisive right wing talking points. And then call yourself a centrist.

            It tracks.

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              2 hours ago

              And what about my left wing opinions? Would the right wing accept me or would they be as friendly as you lot are?

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                Would the right wing accept me or would they be as friendly as you lot are?

                You’re asking us to accept bigoted opinions and threatening to go to the right like you weren’t there already.

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                  No, I’m not, I’m comparing how so many commenters are unfriendly here to the point of insulting and abuse.

                  I know the right act the same and have treated me the same. Therefore I belong nowhere, not accepted from the left, not accepted from the right.

                  So I’m neither, cue being a centrist.

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                    Sounds to me like you want to keep your bigoted opinions yet still expect to be accepted by people who don’t like bigotry.

                    So yeah, a centrist. In the “conservative dating profile” sense.