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Collective Shout is a self-described feminist non-partisan organization, but has alleged ties with anti-trans and conservative organizations. The group has developed a reputation as a sort of puritan crusade that targets everything from Detroit: Become Human to Tyler, the Creator.
This one quote tells me what kind of people Collective Shout are. First, Collective Shout will go after the low hanging fruit and then will move to LGBT themed games.
It’s a hate group and Valve is caving to them.
That would mean that they actually are responsible. I don’t think that’s correct, at best they complained to payment processors to make them enforce their pre-existing bullshit rules. That’s where the problem lies IMO, those corporations should not be allowed to ban paying for legal goods and services, especially since they have formed a cartel.
There’s ample evidence that a lot of recent self-identifying “feminist” grassroots organisations worldwide are fronts for (or sponsored by) christo-fascist organisations.
After gay marriage passed to widespread popular support in multiple countries, there was a whole considered and deliberate regrouping, where they identified trans rights and porn as wedge issues that they could present their bigoted view as a progressive one. That’s why we’re suddenly inundated with orgs like this one; they’re posing as feminists and progressives but they’re actually bigots trying to occupy progressive or mainstream spaces, and give shelter to bigotry in others.
Collective shout finacials year: 2024 revenue: 458043 employee_expenses: 107000 other_expenses: 215488 net_surplus: 135555 employees: total_fte: 2 full_time: 0 part_time: 1 casual: 4 volunteers: 15 donations_and_bequests: 389800 government_grants: 0 commercial_income: 0 expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%" average_expense_per_employee: 39400 Leadership - name: Melinda Tankard Reist role: Founder, Movement Director public_socials: - Twitter: @MelTankardReist - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Caitlin Roper role: Campaigns Manager public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Renee Chopping role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - LinkedIn public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org salary: Not publicly listed - name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Coralie Alison role: Movement Operations Manager public_socials: - Twitter: @CoralieAlison - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listedPeople are blaming Collective Shout but crazy lobbying groups have always existed. Visa and Mastercard are solely responsible for acquiescing. Maybe it’s time we stop caring so much what people on the political extremes have to say?
It’d be kind of funny if some rep from steam just came out and said, ‘Wait, the Aussies wanted this? Put it all back! Add on a few more new ones even. This won’t stand.’
All I wanna know is how fucked up and perverted the porn that they watch is. Anyone taking this hard of a stand against something surely must be projecting.
This group is shooting for very easy targets and they celebrate like they’ve won hard battles. It’s self indulgent but ultimately unimportant, nothing of value was lost here. If they keep it up long enough and choose a target people are actually willing to fight for, things might turn out differently.
Simple fix is to call in suspicion of child porn on their computers. Their statement look a lot like projection to me.
yeah it’s hard to come to any other conclusion on people who constantly think and talk about pedophilia unprompted.
Every accusation is a confession for these sex-negative types. The guy who shrieks the loudest about gender non-conforming people being abominable and vile is usually found 6 months later in Thailand smoking hash and hiring kathoey escorts.
Absolutely, and the scary part to me is how that projection includes LGBT folks also being child predators all the damn time.
It’s like they are a bunch of bisexual pedophiles who are repressed and angry, and they get jealous when they see other people giving in to the same desires. Or, as we see all the time, they assume somebody “giving in” to their homosexuality or gender dysphoria is also “giving in” to their pedophilia.
“Australian anti-porn group has too much power.”
Talk about braindead / misguided legislature.
what the fuck
https://www.collectiveshout.org/ is the group.
https://www.collectiveshout.org/our_team and https://www.collectiveshout.org/collective_shout_board_members - Ensure their names and faces haunt them for every job they go for next.
https://www.collectiveshout.org/partners - Let them know your unhappy with this group that they are supporting.
“Our (winning!) campaign calling on payment processors including Visa and Mastercard to stop processing payments for rape and incest games available on Steam and other platforms has received global media attention.”
Well that is not what I was expecting to find on their site…
Did no one play “Detroit Become Incestual Rapist”?
Nah I was too busy with “epstein island adventure: the trump files”
It seems like politics is more likely to turn someone into a rapist than video games will.
Well when you write policy anything is possible.
Something about the ability to control leads the possibility of abuse.
“Campaign Against Sex Robots”
They have sex robots down there?
Is it projection again?
I’m sure if you dig deep enough into the people involved you’ll crawl out with a couple pedos, a few rapists, and more than likely some dudes who are into some really kinky shit.
it’s always the case, always. whenever there are groups like this pushing their agenda they’re secretly trying to justify themselves.
Apparently they already got caught defending a pedo staffer
Yup something tells me they like trump
Alright, time to research and rat these idiots out. The fact that they tried to ban Detroit: Become Human is enough for me to know that they’re not gamers at all and are just cookers.
I’m trying to follow the money and can’t find much but there are very strong ties to the Christian/Baptist community, which means that there is an above 0% chance that Advance Australia has or is providing funding.
Their partners and partner’s partners are anti-sex (such as CATWA who believe that all prostitution is not a job but is a form of sex trafficking and appears to be against the sex industry), anti-abortion, and all board members and their associated partners are very painfully white.
There’s also an association with the NCJWA, whose president appears to be pro Zionist and has lauded Jillian Segal as a voice of moral clarity (anti-semetic envoy for government pushing to reduce protest rights, husband made a $50k donation to Advance Australia).
Hilariously, one of their partners is called ‘Campaign Against Sex Robots’.
Anyway, in summary, this appears to be a very well funded right wing puritan religious group whose only games experiences are in the political realm rather than PC.
Anti-Porn people are fascists PERIOD, oh I heard they (as in the group) like cuties.
We need to document these low-lives & make sure they never get employed ever again. (Because it’s what they’d do)
Nothing says antifa like the commercialised exploitation of women
What exploitation ? When the same group also plays those porn games😂
Arguing that porn doesn’t exploit women because there are women who consume porn is just as dumb as arguing that porn does exploit women because there are women who don’t consume porn.
How is being against porn and the porn industry fascism? There are genuine reason to be against porn and it doesn’t have anything to do with fascism. Actually if you think that saying that porn is bad is a fascist statement you are actually portraying fascism in a good light and making them look like they are the most reasonable people. Also “you heard”, “I heard”, those statements mean nothing unless you can prove it.
These “feminists” have connections to TERFs, anti-LGBTQ+ groups, and the same NCOSE, that when it was called Morality in Media, labeled non-sexual representation of interracial couples as “pornography”.
If we’re at right-wing appropriation of leftist talking points, then you can also let chuds to call black protagonists in video-games the hard-R N-word, and let them harass indie video game devs until they remove said characters, all in the name or “being anti-corporate”. Maybe even let big AI corporations to scrape intellectual property and then profit off from it, displacing millions of workers (hopefully only until the hype lasts), because “patent trolls” and “Disney has enough copyrighted material to create their own model” (that argument relies on speculation, that a future model can work off of less data, but still creating good results).
“Porn” is extremely broad. There’s plenty of perfectly ethical porn around. Most major producers have pretty strong standards these days. It’s not the same industry as it was 10 years ago.
But in this specific case they went after a porn game, not featuring real people. There’s basically no real harm here. People occasionally argue that porn addiction is a problem, but that’s mostly an addiction problem, which goes for most addictions. The thing addicted too isn’t the problem, it’s the very nature of being addicted that’s causing the issue.
It’s fine of course to dislike porn, but to effectively ban people from producing and consuming it is an entirely different matter. That does seem like a massive encroachment on individual rights to me.
I bet they’re one of those weirdos that wants to outlaw erotic fanfic too.
But in this specific case they went after a porn game, not featuring real people. There’s basically no real harm here.
Just to make sure, this is the game you are defending and think there is no harm to people being exposed or reinforcing this view of women:
In this game, you’ll either become every woman’s worst nightmare… or rather: the best dick they’ll ever have. Your goal is simple: leave no pussy non-fucked, since that’s the only thing they all want. Never take ‘no’ for an answer.
Fuck your mom, fuck your auntie, and even fuck your friend’s mom. Why not?
Take what’s yours and show No Mercy.
Could you please be realy clear: You don’t see any problem with this?
I can think it’s a messed up fantasy, but that doesn’t mean it should immediately be banned by a payment processor.
Regardless, there are tons of studies showing that consuming this kind of porn actually helps prevent people from acting on these fantasies. The net result is likely less sexual abuse, not more. Because it’s fantasy media, it likely is able to keep the fantasy a fantasy, it gives people an outlet.
there are tons of studies
Show me a meta study that supports this claim, please. Not a single study, but something that looks at those alleged thousands of studies and comes to the conclusion you are implying here.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32691692/
Population studies suggested that increased availability of pornography is associated with reduced sexual aggression at the population level
More studies with improved practices and preregistration would be welcome.
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Also:
Whether pornography contributes to sexual aggression in real life has been the subject of dozens of studies over multiple decades. Nevertheless, scholars have not come to a consensus about whether effects are real.
Also also this study has nothing to do with your claim. Its not about porn preventing violent behaviour, it’s about whether porn causes it or not.
What even is ethical porn? And what you consider “ethical” is just your subjective opinion.
Porn made with the willing consent of all parties involved, where everyone is compensated appropriately. No harm = no ethical problems as far as I’m concerned. Most big studios these days make sure of this. But there have also been pioneers that push the bar further up (e.g. Lustery, Ersties or Erika Lust).
So if a father and daughter consent is that ethical now?
There is a clear power disparity between a father and a daughter. It’s debatable if the daughter could even realistically consent in that case.
But a depiction of it in porn is in my view not inherently unethical. I can disapprove of it personally, but that doesn’t mean we should start banning it based on feelings of inappropriateness.
We depict murder and violence in movies and video games too. Actual murder is of course not exactly ethical, but we have no problem accepting it in a movie, because nobody is actually being murdered. You might not like to watch a movie like Saw or something (I personally don’t), but it doesn’t make the movie itself unethical. To me, porn is no different. There’s a clear separation between fiction and reality.
Where imo a line is crossed, is if said media actually makes a clear effort to promote these acts IRL. But that’s not the case here.
What if the daughter is in their 20s or 30s? As for depiction, yes there are depiction of violence and murder in movies and games but it is not done in a way that glorify it and most people don’t watch it with thirst for murder and violence and they don’t get off to it either. The problem with porn is it’s made with that in mind, it only exist for people to lust after and get off to it. In many circumstances they are always trying to look for more extreme content because the normal stuff isn’t as satisfying anymore. It has been shown to affect the same area of the brain as meth and cocaine. It doesn’t cause harm physically but mentally. Sure a thing existing doesn’t make it inherently wrong but it more the effect it has on the people consuming the content. It’s also why drugs are bad. You could say the drug is just a plant, that it’s natural and that there is nothing wrong with that plant existing. But the problem is the effect that plant has on people who consume it. And I am not against you drawing something in private at home or anything, in fact I am strictly against spying and mass surveillance and people should all have privacy in their own home and place they live. So whatever you do on your own time by yourself alone I don’t care but the problem comes when that thing gets shared with others and affects them negatively.
And what you consider “ethical” is just your subjective opinion.
tu quoque
TERFs are evidence in itself, the fact that they exist even all these years
TERFs are anti-porn?
Yes
That makes sense then that women don’t want to be sexualized and objectified by porn just so perverts can pleasure themselves to their bodies. All the more reason to be against pornography. Women deserve better.
Yeah, and we all know that women actually don’t like sex, they only want romance and children. They’re all almost asexual beings unless becoming porn and sex addicts. Meanwhile all men are sex-thirsty animals, that only pretend to be in love, so they can get to the fun part. /s
Oh they do like it but that wasn’t my point. My point was that’s how they are often treated by others and porn addiction or just watching it plays a big role in that. Just stop watching other people having sex.
Your understanding of porn is hilarious and generalized to the point of being pathetic.
It’s the truth though. That’s what it does and if you don’t see it yourself then you need some help like seriously because it means you are not even aware of it. Rather than watching porn you can do something productive or do something else you enjoy. Or if you have a wife then you know, do it with her. And if you don’t then maybe go and find one. It’s hard to tell if most people here are addicted or not when they get so triggered when you don’t approve of it. It’s just not healthy at all mentally, you can look it up there has been plenty of studies done on it and the harmful effects it has on your brain. It has even been compared to cocaine and meth.
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I’m just happy that for once it’s not one of us Americans ruining things for everyone. Still part of the anglosphere, though, so not surprised.
