it’s more common to portray jews as rats. like i get where you’re coming from, but i think they picked what they picked to avoid the antisemitic dog whistle. that’s just my read though as a dude with curly hair, a big nose, and sensitivity to “is this person hating me for my jewish ancestry”
A whole range of animals have been used for that (also, the kraken), but pigs left a nasty taste for me because a very common insult for Jews by German fascists has been (and still is) “jew sod” (“Judensau”).
for sure. that’s like… kind of a genuine challenge with looking for and understanding antisemitism is that how it presents itself changes through the eras. but in our current age, i think people are more likely to associate pigs with capitalism and anti-jewishness than with jews. like. i think it’s important and good that we’re having these conversations so we can understand the current status of anti semitism especially as israeli backed organizations water down these things by applying the term antisemitism to too many things.
and as you say, there’s a major aspect of regionality. antisemitism looks different depending on the place
You know, you can have more than one discussion at once and anti-semitism is still a thing despite Israel’s war on Palestine, and unfortunately, these two topics intersect at certain points.
There’s a few non-antisemitic takes. First off, it’s a depiction of NYT specifically. We should not immediately conflate this with Zionists in general.
First is ‘capitalist pigs’. Israel as a project might be Zion to Zionists, but to organizations it’s a way to grab property and develop more speculative goods.
The other can be from the perspective of NYT as a news org ‘pumping out cartloads of shit’.
A final one I can think of is the pigs from Orwell’s Animal Farm. The pigs in it used manipulative rhetoric to get the other animals to both obey them and included standing by as their friends were executed for ‘the greater good’. At the End of the book, the pigs are no different than the humans the farm animals drove out to secure their freedom, dressing in human clothes, walking on two legs, living in the farmer’s house, and making deals with the farmers. It was a critique by Orwell of communist movements being hijacked to only benefit their vangaurds rather than the prolateriat as a whole, but I can see how the metaphor can fit for a news org siding with Zionists instead of writing truthfully about the Gaza genocide.
You seem more upset with a fictional possibility of an antisemitic symbol than with the actual genocide that’s currently being perpetrated by the Zionists
Why did they choose pigs to caricature zionists?
Why is germany still sending weapons to genociders?
Because even jews should be digusted with zionists.
capitalist pigs
And here I thought they used it because it’s tradition to portray Jews as pigs for European anti-semites for centuries now.
it’s more common to portray jews as rats. like i get where you’re coming from, but i think they picked what they picked to avoid the antisemitic dog whistle. that’s just my read though as a dude with curly hair, a big nose, and sensitivity to “is this person hating me for my jewish ancestry”
A whole range of animals have been used for that (also, the kraken), but pigs left a nasty taste for me because a very common insult for Jews by German fascists has been (and still is) “jew sod” (“Judensau”).
for sure. that’s like… kind of a genuine challenge with looking for and understanding antisemitism is that how it presents itself changes through the eras. but in our current age, i think people are more likely to associate pigs with capitalism and anti-jewishness than with jews. like. i think it’s important and good that we’re having these conversations so we can understand the current status of anti semitism especially as israeli backed organizations water down these things by applying the term antisemitism to too many things.
and as you say, there’s a major aspect of regionality. antisemitism looks different depending on the place
this stops the famine in Gaza and Palestinian babies getting decapitated by Israeli bombs how?
You know, you can have more than one discussion at once and anti-semitism is still a thing despite Israel’s war on Palestine, and unfortunately, these two topics intersect at certain points.
lemmy lacks all sense of nuance
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165443
Ah yes now is the time to be nuanced and cautious /s
There’s a few non-antisemitic takes. First off, it’s a depiction of NYT specifically. We should not immediately conflate this with Zionists in general.
First is ‘capitalist pigs’. Israel as a project might be Zion to Zionists, but to organizations it’s a way to grab property and develop more speculative goods.
The other can be from the perspective of NYT as a news org ‘pumping out cartloads of shit’.
A final one I can think of is the pigs from Orwell’s Animal Farm. The pigs in it used manipulative rhetoric to get the other animals to both obey them and included standing by as their friends were executed for ‘the greater good’. At the End of the book, the pigs are no different than the humans the farm animals drove out to secure their freedom, dressing in human clothes, walking on two legs, living in the farmer’s house, and making deals with the farmers. It was a critique by Orwell of communist movements being hijacked to only benefit their vangaurds rather than the prolateriat as a whole, but I can see how the metaphor can fit for a news org siding with Zionists instead of writing truthfully about the Gaza genocide.
You seem more upset with a fictional possibility of an antisemitic symbol than with the actual genocide that’s currently being perpetrated by the Zionists