They aren’t actually borrowing from anybody, the debt is to themselves. It basically just means the US Federal Government spends more than it collects every year since POTUS Clinton was in charge.
They do set an upper limit to the debt / annual deficit and if they fail to resolve it by raising the limit then the federal government goes into shutdown: no new laws passed, no federal employees get paid, etc. But they pretty much always raise the limit. The last time the limit was raised it was a bipartisan push to keep the government running, during which the DNC members who joined with the Republicans received a lot of criticism for doing what the Republicans wanted, but TBH I don’t really think things would have been much better off if the government had shut down again.
Next time, though, it’s become clear that the Senate will keep stripping rights and not allow a single bit of progress to be made no matter how far into fascism this nation falls, so definitely should shut down.
This is a vast misrepresentation. National debt is literally bank loans the government has taken out and promissory notes like Treasury bonds. They owe investors, banks, and individuals money - only 1/5th of the national debt is held by intergovernment bodies (meaning money the government has loaned itself and ‘owes themselves’). 80%+ of the debt is owed to non-internal groups. Even the self-owed debt must be repaid, or the government would be defaulting on a loan from one department to pay the other - robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Yes but the banks are a part of the US Financial System and Governance. For better or worse, the Federal Reserve System is tiered in a way that each private bank adheres to their regional reserve bank, of which there are 12 total, which adheres to the US federal reserve board. The private banks can also elect representatives to the board of their own regional reserve bank, while the federal reserve board members are appointed by presidents.
That’s not even mentioning the FOMC.
But the debt is still of the USA to the USA at the end of the day. If third parties like China or Russia buy bonds from those of the USA who hold the value in the form of promissory then that’s fine but they have no power to enforce a payout in case of a “default”. The notes just lose a little value, to the holder’s detriment.
Your whole first paragraph is irrelevant. The banks that the US owes are part of the US banking system. Ok so?
This is another misrepresentation. You think it’s no big deal if treasury bills “lose a little value”?
If treasury bills lose value, that will begin a mass sell-off, which will cause the US dollar value to plummet. If there was a default, the US would lose its credit rating and not be able to get future loans. That would grind your government and industries to a halt.
Back on the initial point, foreign counties currently own almost a third of the US national debt, it is not “debt of the USA to the USA” - many of the additonal institutions (beyond the 1/3rd) that hold the debt (banks and investment groups) are also either foreign or international and not headquartered in the US.
In summary, the national debt is loans owed to many groups, a very large portion of which are foreign to the US. “They aren’t actually borrowing from anybody” is wildly inaccurate.
Lmfao yeah ok pal, the banks are going to start denying the federal government loans. Yeah right. I bet the Fed won’t even use their authority to set bank interest rates as a response, will they? Or maybe all the banks will just stop giving out all loans forever? What a crock of shit.
They mention Clinton because when he left office, the federal government was running at a surplus and was paying down the national debt. However, that changed after Bush came to office and passed tax cuts before starting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Republicans: let’s increase spending like crazy while giving all the rich discounts, plummeting our income. In the meantime we just pretend that we’re spending less than Democrats
They aren’t actually borrowing from anybody, the debt is to themselves. It basically just means the US Federal Government spends more than it collects every year since POTUS Clinton was in charge.
They do set an upper limit to the debt / annual deficit and if they fail to resolve it by raising the limit then the federal government goes into shutdown: no new laws passed, no federal employees get paid, etc. But they pretty much always raise the limit. The last time the limit was raised it was a bipartisan push to keep the government running, during which the DNC members who joined with the Republicans received a lot of criticism for doing what the Republicans wanted, but TBH I don’t really think things would have been much better off if the government had shut down again.
Next time, though, it’s become clear that the Senate will keep stripping rights and not allow a single bit of progress to be made no matter how far into fascism this nation falls, so definitely should shut down.
This is a vast misrepresentation. National debt is literally bank loans the government has taken out and promissory notes like Treasury bonds. They owe investors, banks, and individuals money - only 1/5th of the national debt is held by intergovernment bodies (meaning money the government has loaned itself and ‘owes themselves’). 80%+ of the debt is owed to non-internal groups. Even the self-owed debt must be repaid, or the government would be defaulting on a loan from one department to pay the other - robbing Peter to pay Paul.
https://www.marketplace.org/story/2023/05/26/who-does-the-u-s-owe-31-4-trillion
Yes but the banks are a part of the US Financial System and Governance. For better or worse, the Federal Reserve System is tiered in a way that each private bank adheres to their regional reserve bank, of which there are 12 total, which adheres to the US federal reserve board. The private banks can also elect representatives to the board of their own regional reserve bank, while the federal reserve board members are appointed by presidents.
That’s not even mentioning the FOMC.
But the debt is still of the USA to the USA at the end of the day. If third parties like China or Russia buy bonds from those of the USA who hold the value in the form of promissory then that’s fine but they have no power to enforce a payout in case of a “default”. The notes just lose a little value, to the holder’s detriment.
Your whole first paragraph is irrelevant. The banks that the US owes are part of the US banking system. Ok so?
This is another misrepresentation. You think it’s no big deal if treasury bills “lose a little value”?
If treasury bills lose value, that will begin a mass sell-off, which will cause the US dollar value to plummet. If there was a default, the US would lose its credit rating and not be able to get future loans. That would grind your government and industries to a halt.
Back on the initial point, foreign counties currently own almost a third of the US national debt, it is not “debt of the USA to the USA” - many of the additonal institutions (beyond the 1/3rd) that hold the debt (banks and investment groups) are also either foreign or international and not headquartered in the US.
In summary, the national debt is loans owed to many groups, a very large portion of which are foreign to the US. “They aren’t actually borrowing from anybody” is wildly inaccurate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States#Holders_of_debt
Lmfao yeah ok pal, the banks are going to start denying the federal government loans. Yeah right. I bet the Fed won’t even use their authority to set bank interest rates as a response, will they? Or maybe all the banks will just stop giving out all loans forever? What a crock of shit.
Pretty sure it’s actually Nixon’s fault from 1971
They mention Clinton because when he left office, the federal government was running at a surplus and was paying down the national debt. However, that changed after Bush came to office and passed tax cuts before starting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Republicans: let’s increase spending like crazy while giving all the rich discounts, plummeting our income. In the meantime we just pretend that we’re spending less than Democrats
What could possibly go wrong?
I never mentioned fault I just said Clinton was the last POTUS to create surplus. I blame Reagan for cutting taxes.