• Genius@lemmy.zip
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

    Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as “vocational education and training centers”, in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II.

    I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it’s actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they’re contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren’t something they were responsible for, I’d say it’d be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn’t really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them.

    China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang.

    Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn’t exist I guess.

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      just checked your sources and it’s cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean.

      one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise.

      btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years?

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        Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren’t going well financially and they’re frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China’s government, I’d apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn’t lock them up and make them do labour, that’s America’s thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2.

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          well, you’ll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population.

          the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground.

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            Hm, putting people in camps isn’t in the list of things you said. You’re saying they didn’t put people in camps?

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              It’s clearly not a “genocide” and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial.

              If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there’s certainly a discussion to be had but you’ll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result?