He was not assassinated. Please don’t artificially elevate his status. He was killed, and likely was murdered. But he held no position of authority that would warrant him being assassinated.
He was a piece of shit but you’re vastly understating his position as a political influencer. He wasn’t just a YouTuber or a podcaster. I highly recommend the latest episode of the TrueAnon podcast if you’d like to know the extent of the shit he did when he was alive. While he didn’t hold office, he was hugely influential for America’s right-wing party’s rise to power among younger folk, the most important demographic to get hooked on right-wing garbage.
Edited due to the ambiguity of the English language. Dehumanization is what fascists do. If you want to be more like fascists, don’t let me hold you back. If you think you can only fight evil if it isn’t human, then acknowledge your weakness and do something about it.
Dehumanizing people is a trait of fascism. It makes it easy to commit all kinds of atrocities because they aren’t really people. Why would you want that for yourself or others?
Nope. I only want it for fascists. Pretty easy. What doesn’t work is passive nonsense. Calling for nice talk to bad people is just allowing bad people to keep being bad people. The bad people caught on that they can just do whatever they want because people like you don’t do or say anything meaningful.
Being too soft on fascism is how we got here. If you don’t casually support fascism, you’ll wake up.
I agree that fascists are bad people, and I agree that fascists won’t go away by ignoring them or presuming their good intent.
But dehumanizing the people you decided are “bad” is literally the attitude that enables fascism. Not only does it set a low bar for what’s required to dehumanize someone, but it weakens the kind of self-reflection that helps people avoid falling into fascism. Think about all those MAGA folk who say they only wanted to deport the “bad” immigrants. How’s that working out?
People we feel are “bad” should be treated like human beings. Because what’s deemed bad depends on who’s doing the finger-pointing, and dehumanizing others isn’t a great way to bring the information that there’s something bad happening to those who don’t already agree with you.
I feel you’re enabling the rise of fascism by making them feel comfortable. Nothing you could ever say will change my mind, as I have thought long and hard about it.
The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot.
Being soft and not dehumanizing are two different things. The fact you can’t tell the difference doesn’t change that. I’m willing to do hard things to dangerous people. I don’t need to trick myself that they aren’t people in order to do that.
Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism?
Are you perhaps saying assassinated is more correct? That’s just a specific genre of murking. Please elaborate your thought.
He was not assassinated. Please don’t artificially elevate his status. He was killed, and likely was murdered. But he held no position of authority that would warrant him being assassinated.
He was a piece of shit but you’re vastly understating his position as a political influencer. He wasn’t just a YouTuber or a podcaster. I highly recommend the latest episode of the TrueAnon podcast if you’d like to know the extent of the shit he did when he was alive. While he didn’t hold office, he was hugely influential for America’s right-wing party’s rise to power among younger folk, the most important demographic to get hooked on right-wing garbage.
You can only murder or assassinate human beings
Dehumanization is for fascists.
Edited due to the ambiguity of the English language. Dehumanization is what fascists do. If you want to be more like fascists, don’t let me hold you back. If you think you can only fight evil if it isn’t human, then acknowledge your weakness and do something about it.
Exactly. Dehumanize fascists.
Dehumanizing people is a trait of fascism. It makes it easy to commit all kinds of atrocities because they aren’t really people. Why would you want that for yourself or others?
Nope. I only want it for fascists. Pretty easy. What doesn’t work is passive nonsense. Calling for nice talk to bad people is just allowing bad people to keep being bad people. The bad people caught on that they can just do whatever they want because people like you don’t do or say anything meaningful.
Being too soft on fascism is how we got here. If you don’t casually support fascism, you’ll wake up.
I agree that fascists are bad people, and I agree that fascists won’t go away by ignoring them or presuming their good intent.
But dehumanizing the people you decided are “bad” is literally the attitude that enables fascism. Not only does it set a low bar for what’s required to dehumanize someone, but it weakens the kind of self-reflection that helps people avoid falling into fascism. Think about all those MAGA folk who say they only wanted to deport the “bad” immigrants. How’s that working out?
People we feel are “bad” should be treated like human beings. Because what’s deemed bad depends on who’s doing the finger-pointing, and dehumanizing others isn’t a great way to bring the information that there’s something bad happening to those who don’t already agree with you.
I feel you’re enabling the rise of fascism by making them feel comfortable. Nothing you could ever say will change my mind, as I have thought long and hard about it.
The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot.
Absolutely. But that’s not the same thing as saying they’re not human. They are human. That’s what makes them dangerous.
And if your standards are that everyone bad isn’t human, you’re literally propping up fascism.
Being soft and not dehumanizing are two different things. The fact you can’t tell the difference doesn’t change that. I’m willing to do hard things to dangerous people. I don’t need to trick myself that they aren’t people in order to do that.
Did you consider Charlie Kirk a dangerous person?
Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism?
correct. fascists don’t deserve the title of human.
He was human. A shitty human.