My friend works for a company which requires her to use Microsoft specific application, she didn’t really want to switch to Win 11 and choose to just use Wine Linux package and install a 2016 version of MS office on her Linux laptop. That’s all well and good, but this company she is working for servers other clients at pretty high up places and she is terrified that she using the pirated version of MS would create a liability for her company as if Microsoft wants to target pirated software, they hunt for organisations rather than individuals.
So, what should she do? Is there a way you can hide the fact that the excel sheet was created on pirated software, is it even possible to tell excel sheets apart which are using pirated software?
PS: If there is a way to destroy all metadata related to the excel sheets, it would be very helpful.
edit: Thanks to everyone who chipped in for an answer, gonna suggest her to either ask her employer to give her the necessary software + hardware and if denied quit. I now realize this is not the norm in any company but hers. Anyways, thanks everyone.
My friend works for a company which requires her to use Microsoft specific application
So the company needs to provide said friend with all the needed software.
*in the US, if they are w2. If contractor, they must provide the tools themselves.
… and hardware.
Absolutely!
I don’t know for other countries but here in Germany the employer - by law - has to provide the employee with everything the employee needs to do the job he’s hired for.
I boldly assume this is the case in most countries.
In the US, this is generally true if the person is an employee… however if they’re a contractor it’s up to them to provide their own stuff, including health insurance and such. It’s why contractors get paid more, they theoretically have to cover all the other expenses around providing their services.
Using your own device is good and comfortable. I always hated companies that wants to force windows laptop or macbook on me. I suggest compell them for their tech choice or consider leaving that company and searching for a better one that supports libre software. I know it’s hard but there are some areas like web development, which usually lets you use linux.
Aside from the obvious (company providing all the necessary tools) why not using libreoffice and saving it as M$ excel?
If Office 365 online has enough features for her, maybe just do that. It works just fine on Linux. The web versions are not that feature rich but honestly they have more features than most people use.
Another option is running a Windows VM on Linux with the latest office installed. You probably do not need much RAM.
There have been many cases where they found out it was made by a pirated version of MS office. Just google it. Sometimes the pirates add some metadata, like the author for example. If she wants to live at peace and not put the business at risk, she should do the right thing and get a licensed copy, whoever pays for it.
If the latest version doesn’t work on Windows then get a key for an older version, or sub for the web version.
But under no circumstance use pirated software at a serious business.
In the interim, as I know jobs are kinda hard to give up at a moment’s notice, OpenOffice has good compatibility with Microsoft file formats, as does Microsoft’s online suite of applications.
Do you mean OnlyOffice? OpenOffice is the old thing that LibreOffice is a fork of.
she didn’t really want to switch to Win 11
On which computer? Her own?
Does not the company provide a PC with the tools needed? If yes, she has no right to decide what goes on it, the company does and she should respect that, doing what you want on a company PC can get you in serious trouble, way more serious than finding out you’re using a pirated version of Office.
If the company expects her to use her own PC, they should at least provide the needed software licenses, Office365 can be used on the web, no need to install anything and it can be used on Linux no problem.
BUT the serious problem remains of having company data on her own PC, the best thing to do in such a case would be creating a VM, encrypting the file system and keeping all company data contained inside the VM.
Tho in such a case I would change company, no serious company today would expect employees to keep company data freely on whatever personal PC, that could lead to data breaches, I would never want to be involved in case like that, tho I live in EU, we have very strict laws about data integrity and privacy, dunno about other countries.
I’m in the EU as well and am working for a company in the USA. They make us use our own computers for work - which includes installing time tracking software.
I am actively trying to get out of the company and do not recommend working for a company that makes you use your own device. Since they are only registered in the USA, I have no legal protection from the EU and my country of residence.
Sorry for the tangent, I just think it’s important for others to see as well.
You said you are ‘in the EU’, as in currently living in the US for said job?
Are you considered an independent contractor? Or an actual employee of the company?
As a US citizen… I would just advise EU citizens to ‘in general’ avoid working for US companies, we have bad employment policies, and our companies think they can just do the same things in other countries. Obviously everyone should choose for themselves; if you think the extra income is worth it, that is your call, but our work culture is awful.
At the very least, if you do decide to work for a US company… keep it remote. Cost of living in the US is really high, work culture is awful, it’s dangerous, and healthcare costs are crazy. Unless your household is making at least $150k USD/year, you’ll be considered poor to middle-class.
I’m living in the EU and work remotely for a US based company.
I took the job as my I was unemployed. My contract came to an end at my previous company and they weren’t renewing any contracts unfortunately.
This job I’m working now pays $15.50 an hour and they are super strict (micromanagement on a whole other level) about what we do during that time. I posted about it here.
Is that even legal?
It’s probably a very gray legal area. I’m no legal expert though
Fuck. That. Company.
Holy shit dude.
That device monitoring software can go to hell.
Currently trying to leave. I’ve got a side gig but it’s not bringing in enough to leave this job yet.
I completely understand being stuck there while looking.
My recommendation is silent quit. Just do your responsibilities and focus more on still looking.
If you must install that monitoring shit on your personal machine then I would recommend using a VM if possible.
You can do windows eval forever and try to use Libre office instead of open office.
I’ve been doing just enough to not raise any flags over the past month or so. A lot of my energy has gone into job hunting and growing my business
Why isn’t the company providing its employees with the required tools to do the work?
I don’t think so, unless the pirate left a calling card. If you want to make sure, just make the same sheet in pirated and non pirated versions, and compare the file. (They are zip archives, so that will let you see the raw XML)
Software cracks leaving a calling card isn’t unheard of. Companies before have been caught out before with names of cracking groups showing up in their files.
Edit: found the article I was thinking of. Turns out it was Microsoft themselves!
http://www.techpavan.com/2009/05/24/microsoft-deepz0ne-pirated-cracked-sound-forge-windows-xp-audio/
Can they find out?
No, not really. The Metadata doesn’t have a “pirated” flag and something like the product key doesn’t get saved. Microsoft themselves probably know due to their telemetry but even they can’t be bothered about it. I would bet that even you send a pirated document to the Microsoft CEO, they wouldn’t notice or even care enough to look for it.
But as always there is the important rule of “don’t fuck with work stuff, ever”.
It’s already questionable why she is editing company documents on here private PC without either a dedicated and remotely managed work particition + VPN or an O365 online work account. These documents fall under far stricter data safety regulations and the way it is right now, she is personally liable for any data leaks.
Fun fact: MS was onced caught using pirated audio software to create an audio file for (I think) Windows XP
Maybe ask the company if they can get you an O365-Account, so you can just use the web version of it or install that as webapp.
Sorry to say, but employees cost so much money in salary, those few bucks for software licenses are just minor.
And even if they won’t, she can get a license herself and use that. It solves everything in one go
Never pay for software for your job unless you’re self employed. That’s the employers responsibility.
Why isn’t the company paying for it? Anyways, you could just export it to a different format and then back to Excel depending on which features you’re using. But also, I think this is being paranoid. Microsoft isn’t the NSA
A company should not be pirating software under and circumstances
No.
