Speaking from past lived experience trying to get to work in -30c weather in my old city, and the once-every-half-hour bus is either full, late, or broken down. FORGET that noise.
It’s definitely better where I am now l, but vast swaths of cityscape in my country are massively underserved, and I would assert that calling it “daunting” is comically trivializing the daily stress of trying to make a schedule happen in those cases.
Just telling someone to buck up and endure that is extremely condescending; you’ll win so few allies to your cause with this approach (which I, incidentally l, support). You’re basically saying their time is of little to no value, and what they want to accomplish with it doesn’t matter. And time is the only true non-renewable resource in your life, kids.
I’m not speaking without doing. I’ve done as cold as it gets in my city, which is admittedly short of -30c, probably closer to -23c. This is about bikes, not buses. (But honestly goes for both!)
People aren’t going to like being told it. But I’m ever of the opinion that people who whine when told they’re wrong are not ever going to be the ones changing in the first place. They merely sit there, in the comfort of the car, justifying their decision by pretending the gas guzzling environment harming and dangerous vehicles are somehow justified by the small amount of lightly discomfortable weather and short bikeable rides.
You’re basically saying their time is of little to no value, and what they want to accomplish with it doesn’t matter
It’s not of little value. It’s the amount saved by driving is not worth it. For them and for others.
Bikes would be even worse imo. Your uphill battle just got much steeper. You’re also not helping anything by making the sweeping generalizations you seem to enjoy making.
I can’t say I have heard it before from countless others (to precisely no avail), but regardless, best of luck in gathering momentum for your cause.
Bikes are not even half as hard as you think they are.
I sold my bike last summer. I dislike riding bikes now; they hurt my back, and the cycling community is unfriendly (QED). I prefer my VESC board, it’s more fun, and I can do a local grocery run without worrying that someone will steal it, and I’ve made more friends in the community.
I prefer my EV for longer distances, it’s more practical.
For whatever reason, you seem unable to see someone else’s perspectives on this subject. I’m going to chalk it up to inexperience.
Either way, it makes you a poor advocate for your cause.
A glance at this thread would show you I’m right. People’s primary reasons for not switching is not wanting to bike in the rain, winter, and not wanting to be sweaty --all of which products are made to deal with.
Even kids are easily transportable with a small trailer
Holy crap does it ever not.
Speaking from past lived experience trying to get to work in -30c weather in my old city, and the once-every-half-hour bus is either full, late, or broken down. FORGET that noise.
It’s definitely better where I am now l, but vast swaths of cityscape in my country are massively underserved, and I would assert that calling it “daunting” is comically trivializing the daily stress of trying to make a schedule happen in those cases.
Just telling someone to buck up and endure that is extremely condescending; you’ll win so few allies to your cause with this approach (which I, incidentally l, support). You’re basically saying their time is of little to no value, and what they want to accomplish with it doesn’t matter. And time is the only true non-renewable resource in your life, kids.
So, I say thee: nay.
I’m not speaking without doing. I’ve done as cold as it gets in my city, which is admittedly short of -30c, probably closer to -23c. This is about bikes, not buses. (But honestly goes for both!)
People aren’t going to like being told it. But I’m ever of the opinion that people who whine when told they’re wrong are not ever going to be the ones changing in the first place. They merely sit there, in the comfort of the car, justifying their decision by pretending the gas guzzling environment harming and dangerous vehicles are somehow justified by the small amount of lightly discomfortable weather and short bikeable rides.
It’s not of little value. It’s the amount saved by driving is not worth it. For them and for others.
Bikes would be even worse imo. Your uphill battle just got much steeper. You’re also not helping anything by making the sweeping generalizations you seem to enjoy making.
I can’t say I have heard it before from countless others (to precisely no avail), but regardless, best of luck in gathering momentum for your cause.
Bikes are not even half as hard as you think they are.
Thankfully, there’s already significant momentum, bike lanes and transit are growing stronger.
I sold my bike last summer. I dislike riding bikes now; they hurt my back, and the cycling community is unfriendly (QED). I prefer my VESC board, it’s more fun, and I can do a local grocery run without worrying that someone will steal it, and I’ve made more friends in the community.
I prefer my EV for longer distances, it’s more practical.
For whatever reason, you seem unable to see someone else’s perspectives on this subject. I’m going to chalk it up to inexperience.
Either way, it makes you a poor advocate for your cause.
“i sold my hammer because the hammer community was unfriendly”
It’s a tool first and a culture second. Choosing a tool based on culture is already poor decision making.
I can see their perspective. I think their perspective is simply pure selfishness, desire for a small convenience over the greater overall good.
A bike that hurts your back is likely not a practical commuter upright bike.
Sure, sparky. You betcha.
A glance at this thread would show you I’m right. People’s primary reasons for not switching is not wanting to bike in the rain, winter, and not wanting to be sweaty --all of which products are made to deal with.
Even kids are easily transportable with a small trailer