Hi, I am not exactly sure how best to frame this, but recent events have got me wondering where exactly Framework, as a company, stands with regards to human rights and equality. If I understand correctly (and please do correct me if I am wrong), it seems like Framework has started sponsoring Hyprland: So I presume this is fact: Framework, as a company, has decided to sponsor a Wayland compositor who is well known to be led as a rather “toxic and hateful community”. Separately, but on the ...

Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I’m disappointed in framework’s answer so far

  • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
    12·
    9 hours ago

    Tankies, afaik, are just delusional. Do they support murder of non-whites?

    And uh…the fact that defederating the tankies is a regular topic of conversation here is 100000000x better than the big tent response.

    • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      5 hours ago

      Tankies widely support the destruction of the Ukrainians as a people and culture. One of the definitions of genocide. Are you going to stop using every software written, or partly written, by a tankie?

      • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
        21·
        5 hours ago

        Can you point me to that (must be lemmy dev or moderator appointed by a lemmy dev to be comparable)? All I’ve seen are posts on power tripping where people get banned because they say things like “Russia started it” or “Tiananmen lol, amirite”. I’ve not seen anything to the extent you’re describing and would be interested in seeing it.

        And uh, the problem isn’t the use of software. Nothing in this thread is about the use of software.

          • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
            1·
            5 hours ago

            If you’re going to hold lemmy to the same standard we are holding lemmy to in this thread, absolutely yes. Did you not see the detailed links provided by oop?

            And uh …don’t the tankies not believe in those allegations? Isn’t that their whole thing, that western media is lying about it? Ie delusional like I said.

            • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              5 hours ago

              don’t the tankies not believe in those allegations? Isn’t that their whole thing, that western media is lying about it? Ie delusional like I said.

              Of course they don’t believe the piles of evidence. The point is they support the genocide either way. If we are changing the standard to purely what delusional people believe, not what they actually support, then there is a ton of people on the right we should stop bitching about, as they don’t believe their policies are harmful either…

              So, back to the original question, are you going to use a software written, or just partly written, by tankies? Or is it possible that one can use a software written by people who have differing political opinions from you?

              • balance8873@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
                2·
                2 hours ago

                I already answered that: your question is trying to move the goalposts away from what framework is doing.

                I think the rest of your response feels wrong in a fundamental way but I haven’t thought through why yet.

                • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  1 hour ago

                  I think the rest of your response feels wrong in a fundamental way but I haven’t thought through why yet.

                  Either that or a pair of opinions you hold conflict with each-other.

                  Internal consistency is highly valued. As long as all opinions are treated with the same standards, then you have a nice steady base for your views and how you interact with the world.