• ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com
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    13 hours ago

    At what point does Russia cease being the attacker in Crimea? They’ve had it under their control for 11 years now. It’s on Ukraine to launch an offensive to take it back.

    The more time goes on, the more Crimea becomes embedded into the Russian state. According to what I could find, about 76% of Crimeans are ethnic Russians and that has risen since 2014. At this point there’s no evidence that Crimeans would even accept the return of Ukrainian sovereignty.

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      13 hours ago

      Yeah, because most of the original residents have left, and Russia has brought in a bunch of their own people.

      Do you think the ones who identify as Ukrainian would stick around?

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            8 hours ago

            Yes, but that would require Ukrainian forces to actually recapture Crimea militarily. The idea that the Russians will just run away eventually after being “bled out” is a ridiculous one. They’re going nowhere any time soon unless they are dislodged by force.

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              7 hours ago

              Goobers like you were once saying Ukraine resisting was futile, and Kyiv would fall in three days.

              Ukraine has consistently defied the naysayers, and kept a numerically superior force at bay. We’re now seeing them reach far behind enemy lines and wreck Russian infrastructure, and the cracks are slowly starting to show.

              I absolutely believe they can win this.

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                5 hours ago

                I never said anything of the sort but sure. Goobers like you have been saying the cracks are showing for the past 3 years, so I’m just waiting to see this big collapse that is supposed to happen.

                Ukraine has had its own infrastructure wrecked over the course of the war, so that doesn’t just apply to Russia. Everything is finite and it’s not like Ukraine is the only side being supplied by it’s allies.

                A lot of people do believe Ukraine can win, but it’s about time the west got serious and gave Ukraine the tools they need to take decisive action soon. In the years since the 2014 crisis, we’ve seen the emergence of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics in Donbas backed by Russia. The more Russians that move there, the more there will be resistance to any idea of Kyiv governance in the future. You can’t control a territory without the consent of the people who live there.

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      8 hours ago

      I’m going to shit in your bathroom, claim it for myself, and keep you out until it’s my bathroom