China is by far the closest country on Earth to that Star Trek future. No other country is as developed and is presently socialist. It has a long way to go, but is already overtaking capitalist countries.
there is no amount of propaganda that would make this believable. The fact that there is forced labor, and decent is punished is just as unacceptable in China as it is in the US. When I can freely and safely criticize Xi Jinping I might be interested. There are lots of aspects of China that I love and want to see but the authoritarian government and regional provincial governors are NOT something i want to risk.
China has outlawed slavery and forced labor. Capitalists trying to manipulate the media is punished, correct, but that’s something widely supported by the people. China is democratic, and the people support their system, because it works:
All states are “authoritarian,” in that all are embedded within class struggle and represent the ruling class. Dissent is punished in the US and in China, the difference is that the capitalist class is oppressing workers in the US, while the working class is oppressing capitalists in China.
You owe it to yourself as someone desiring a socialist future to genuinely try to understand the Chinese system, and why it’s so widely supported by its people.
I have a hard time giving weight to a self reported survey like the one you linked. I dont doubt that people in china feel like they are free, and I suspect that many also ranked their freedom highly because they fear reprisal if they say otherwise.
Many aspects of China are democratic, other parts are not, Xi Jinping is a life time dictator and cannot be replaced by democratic systems. He is an authoritarian and Bourgeoisie, your suggestion that the working class oppresses capitalists is demonstrably false https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides for example. These were western capitalists treating workers with raw brutality. The CCP was complicit and did not protect their workers because it was seen as generally beneficial to have these manufacturing contracts.
You don’t know me, you are making assumptions about my knowledge, experience, and connection to China based on a few responses on lemmy.
I hope China is able to return to the ideals that were espoused through the revolution, and I will cheer if they truly reach a level of equality not yet seen in humanity.
As for Foxconn, it sparked widespread protests and backlash, and has been responded to. Even then, the suicide rate at Foxconn was lower than China’s overall rate, which is lower than the US’s overall rate. China isn’t a perfect society, it’s the regular and continuous improvement that makes it much better.
You’re right, I don’t know you. What I do know is informed by the incorrect statements you make, and that shapes the level of knowledge I believe you have.
We can disagree on Xi being an authoritarian/dictator, from my perspective and experience he is effectively a dictator.
I was actually happy with some of the improvements made as a result of these suicides but more still needs to be done, and the Uyghurs people are still suffering under the regime.
Xinjiang has similar levels of approval of the PRC and CPC from what I’ve seen. Where are you finding this alternative information? You keep claiming things that don’t appear to be backed up by reality, just vibes.
It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective.
Yes, it’s a perception deliberately pushed in western countries and the english speaking world. I have given you hard numbers and studies, you’ve told me that westerners think he’s bad. That’s not exactly a solid case, right?
China is by far the closest country on Earth to that Star Trek future. No other country is as developed and is presently socialist. It has a long way to go, but is already overtaking capitalist countries.
there is no amount of propaganda that would make this believable. The fact that there is forced labor, and decent is punished is just as unacceptable in China as it is in the US. When I can freely and safely criticize Xi Jinping I might be interested. There are lots of aspects of China that I love and want to see but the authoritarian government and regional provincial governors are NOT something i want to risk.
China has outlawed slavery and forced labor. Capitalists trying to manipulate the media is punished, correct, but that’s something widely supported by the people. China is democratic, and the people support their system, because it works:
All states are “authoritarian,” in that all are embedded within class struggle and represent the ruling class. Dissent is punished in the US and in China, the difference is that the capitalist class is oppressing workers in the US, while the working class is oppressing capitalists in China.
You owe it to yourself as someone desiring a socialist future to genuinely try to understand the Chinese system, and why it’s so widely supported by its people.
I have a hard time giving weight to a self reported survey like the one you linked. I dont doubt that people in china feel like they are free, and I suspect that many also ranked their freedom highly because they fear reprisal if they say otherwise.
Many aspects of China are democratic, other parts are not, Xi Jinping is a life time dictator and cannot be replaced by democratic systems. He is an authoritarian and Bourgeoisie, your suggestion that the working class oppresses capitalists is demonstrably false https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides for example. These were western capitalists treating workers with raw brutality. The CCP was complicit and did not protect their workers because it was seen as generally beneficial to have these manufacturing contracts.
You don’t know me, you are making assumptions about my knowledge, experience, and connection to China based on a few responses on lemmy.
I hope China is able to return to the ideals that were espoused through the revolution, and I will cheer if they truly reach a level of equality not yet seen in humanity.
It isn’t just one survey, it’s regularly and repeatedly affirmed that the people of China support their system. Xi is not a dictator and can be removed democratically. He is further not bourgeoisie, he owns no businesses. This is all vibes-based and does not correspond to reality.
As for Foxconn, it sparked widespread protests and backlash, and has been responded to. Even then, the suicide rate at Foxconn was lower than China’s overall rate, which is lower than the US’s overall rate. China isn’t a perfect society, it’s the regular and continuous improvement that makes it much better.
You’re right, I don’t know you. What I do know is informed by the incorrect statements you make, and that shapes the level of knowledge I believe you have.
We can disagree on Xi being an authoritarian/dictator, from my perspective and experience he is effectively a dictator.
I was actually happy with some of the improvements made as a result of these suicides but more still needs to be done, and the Uyghurs people are still suffering under the regime.
Xinjiang has similar levels of approval of the PRC and CPC from what I’ve seen. Where are you finding this alternative information? You keep claiming things that don’t appear to be backed up by reality, just vibes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping
It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective.
Yes, it’s a perception deliberately pushed in western countries and the english speaking world. I have given you hard numbers and studies, you’ve told me that westerners think he’s bad. That’s not exactly a solid case, right?