It’s a documentary, though, and not the only one. That’s like saying a Marvel movie is a “piratebay video,” the platform is just how I am getting it to you. I also don’t know what you mean by the “.ml brigade,” we are on Lemmy.ml, and people here are agreeing with me more than you. It’s not a coordinated thing.
The DPRK has public news outlets, and there’s reporting from the outside. It doesn’t have private news outlets, yes, but independent orgs do visit.
Leftist opinions are pretty common on Lemmy.ml, Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and other instances. I guess if you are on a .world account it might seem different. I see leftists dogpiled in Lemmy.world threads too, I chalk that up to instances being different ideologically, not any particular tendency towards “dogpiling.”
Secondly, it isn’t black and white. Reporting is thoroughly vetted. I never said it was “open,” just that accurate reporting exists internally and externally, and independent orgs do visit and report on them. They are extremely careful overall.
Its whatever dude I know you all dont like anarchists. You just bend over backwards to try and say the DPRK is fair but nothing I can even dredge up on the Dark web says that. Everything points to them having an iron grip on the flow of information in the country to influence its entire population into “social cohesion” because thats the only way to realistically do that. You can hate that all you want but thats the truth. People with more access to more information form many different opinions. People with less, well, form less. I just can’t be convinced that thats actually good.
I like anarchists, I get along with a good amount of them. I used to be one, in fact. I disagree with them, some of them moreso than others, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like them. I’m not bending over backwards for anything, nor am I trying to say the DPRK is some magic utopia. I am saying that information is limited, but absolutely does exist. You’re just affirming it to be some dystopian nightmare out of a cartoon, rather than a real country with real people.
I gave you a documentary, and you said you didn’t trust it because I gave you a pirated version. You have to realize that that’s silly, right? Multiple sources from multiple languages affirm that the DPRK is not the hellscape you think it is, especially if you read Korean, Mandarin, Russian, or Spanish. If you only want English, the Korean ex-pat anti-imperialist group Nodutdol released a good toolkit on learning more about Korea, both the DPRK and ROK, and more, so you can see more about what the situation actually is like.
I definitely edited that comment and said I would find the film. You ignoring my additions is not something I can do anything about. I mentioned how SK was fucked. I watched the documentary, that still did not prove that independent journalism is allowed mor that they allow the free press in. Which if you recall, was my original statement before you made it about your points. Its not silly. One person is not independent journalism being let into the country. Its simply allowing one vetted person to make a film approved by you.
All other sources I can locate say information on the inner workings of the DPRK are unreliable as they only allow the singular state source to report. Literally everything says that but you and your singular documentary. Is everything else wrong? Its hard to say but I doubt it.
The situation looks exactly as it is. The people are fine, they are just massively restricted in what information they are allowed to consume. I never said it was a hellscape, you put those words in my mouth. I said they do not allow the free press in, and if they wanted to dispell rumours and portray truth they would allow the free press in. But they don’t, because they want to control what information their civilians consume. Thats what I am saying. I am not saying they are starving and demons run amuck. I am saying the citizens have extremely restricted access to information from outside their country and that is how you achieve this “social cohesion”. Please, I implore you to not project onto me and actually read my words. You never seem to do that because you are so eager to show how your perspective is the right one, when it is merely just another flawed perspective like line because we both dont live there.
I’ve given you far more than just one documentary, though. It’s like you ignored everything from Nodutdol, and are again insistent on the idea that if they vet press then they don’t let “the free press” in. I have no idea what “the free press” is. You never define it. It’s true that news from Russia, China, Cuba, and occasionally more come to visit. KCNA is fairly accurate as well, and there are other news agencies than just KCNA.
They do restrict internet access, yes. They do rely on their own intranet, and few have access to the internet. I never disputed that.
The reason I’m confident in what I’m saying is because I’ve done a good deal more reading than just random internet searches. I know my knowledge has limits, and I know what I can’t know for sure. Your point seems to be that because you aren’t as confident, that I cannot be either, on the basis of your short internet searches.
It’s a documentary, though, and not the only one. That’s like saying a Marvel movie is a “piratebay video,” the platform is just how I am getting it to you. I also don’t know what you mean by the “.ml brigade,” we are on Lemmy.ml, and people here are agreeing with me more than you. It’s not a coordinated thing.
The DPRK has public news outlets, and there’s reporting from the outside. It doesn’t have private news outlets, yes, but independent orgs do visit.
This only happens on ml comms so you can say what you want but ya’ll are king dogpilers.
https://rsf.org/en/country/north-korea
It really doesn’t appear to be open
Leftist opinions are pretty common on Lemmy.ml, Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and other instances. I guess if you are on a .world account it might seem different. I see leftists dogpiled in Lemmy.world threads too, I chalk that up to instances being different ideologically, not any particular tendency towards “dogpiling.”
Secondly, it isn’t black and white. Reporting is thoroughly vetted. I never said it was “open,” just that accurate reporting exists internally and externally, and independent orgs do visit and report on them. They are extremely careful overall.
Its whatever dude I know you all dont like anarchists. You just bend over backwards to try and say the DPRK is fair but nothing I can even dredge up on the Dark web says that. Everything points to them having an iron grip on the flow of information in the country to influence its entire population into “social cohesion” because thats the only way to realistically do that. You can hate that all you want but thats the truth. People with more access to more information form many different opinions. People with less, well, form less. I just can’t be convinced that thats actually good.
I like anarchists, I get along with a good amount of them. I used to be one, in fact. I disagree with them, some of them moreso than others, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like them. I’m not bending over backwards for anything, nor am I trying to say the DPRK is some magic utopia. I am saying that information is limited, but absolutely does exist. You’re just affirming it to be some dystopian nightmare out of a cartoon, rather than a real country with real people.
I gave you a documentary, and you said you didn’t trust it because I gave you a pirated version. You have to realize that that’s silly, right? Multiple sources from multiple languages affirm that the DPRK is not the hellscape you think it is, especially if you read Korean, Mandarin, Russian, or Spanish. If you only want English, the Korean ex-pat anti-imperialist group Nodutdol released a good toolkit on learning more about Korea, both the DPRK and ROK, and more, so you can see more about what the situation actually is like.
I definitely edited that comment and said I would find the film. You ignoring my additions is not something I can do anything about. I mentioned how SK was fucked. I watched the documentary, that still did not prove that independent journalism is allowed mor that they allow the free press in. Which if you recall, was my original statement before you made it about your points. Its not silly. One person is not independent journalism being let into the country. Its simply allowing one vetted person to make a film approved by you.
All other sources I can locate say information on the inner workings of the DPRK are unreliable as they only allow the singular state source to report. Literally everything says that but you and your singular documentary. Is everything else wrong? Its hard to say but I doubt it.
The situation looks exactly as it is. The people are fine, they are just massively restricted in what information they are allowed to consume. I never said it was a hellscape, you put those words in my mouth. I said they do not allow the free press in, and if they wanted to dispell rumours and portray truth they would allow the free press in. But they don’t, because they want to control what information their civilians consume. Thats what I am saying. I am not saying they are starving and demons run amuck. I am saying the citizens have extremely restricted access to information from outside their country and that is how you achieve this “social cohesion”. Please, I implore you to not project onto me and actually read my words. You never seem to do that because you are so eager to show how your perspective is the right one, when it is merely just another flawed perspective like line because we both dont live there.
I’ve given you far more than just one documentary, though. It’s like you ignored everything from Nodutdol, and are again insistent on the idea that if they vet press then they don’t let “the free press” in. I have no idea what “the free press” is. You never define it. It’s true that news from Russia, China, Cuba, and occasionally more come to visit. KCNA is fairly accurate as well, and there are other news agencies than just KCNA.
They do restrict internet access, yes. They do rely on their own intranet, and few have access to the internet. I never disputed that.
The reason I’m confident in what I’m saying is because I’ve done a good deal more reading than just random internet searches. I know my knowledge has limits, and I know what I can’t know for sure. Your point seems to be that because you aren’t as confident, that I cannot be either, on the basis of your short internet searches.