Yeah it’s super weird, if you go to a specific forum for help, like cachyos or bazzite, the community is bearable, and sometimes very helpful without being rude. But if you go to a general forum and state you’re having any issues with Linux you’ll be downvoted to hell and told Linux is still better than windows.
Because most questions have been asked a thousand times before. Windows users first need to learn to help themselves. Have you considered that I just don’t care to help some stranger switch to linux at all? Sometimes I just want to revel in using something better.
People who bitch and moan about Windows yet dismiss any alternative out of hand aren’t “having any issues with Linux.” Their issues are (a) with Windows and (b) not wanting to hear the truth of that being pointed out to them.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to pretend this post is saying something it’s not.
Obviously, being mean to someone making a good-faith effort to improve themselves and solve their problems is not okay, but that’s not what we’re talking about here.
It’s pretty hard to fit all of what you just said into a meme. For example your meme does not say that windows users are “dismissing any alternative out of hand”. It says windows users that refuse to switch. Maybe they hate windows but they literally must use Fusion 360 or AutoDesk or Meshmixer or RealityCapture or one of the numerous other software options that just do not work on windows.
Anyway, if what your meme is actually about is people that only use the browser and then refuse to switch but still constantly complain then yeah you’re dead on.
It’s pretty hard to fit all of what you just said into a meme.
I see that now!
Anyway, if what your meme is actually about is people that only use the browser and then refuse to switch but still constantly complain then yeah you’re dead on.
My meme is indeed sort of about that, but it’s even more about pushing back on the other thread and similar sentiments, where their flying monkeys defend their useless complaining and then try to make us out as the bad guys for responding in any way short of wallowing in their misery with them.
This has been my experience so far as well. But I’m also a cowboys fan who realizes we suck. So I’m used to being embarrassed by a small handful of my own community.
You mean the communities where the rules forbid asking newbie questions because people visit them to learn about new developments and inevitable FOSS dramas?
No I’m talking about complaining about the problems you’re having with Linux not asking for help with anything. It’s literally happened in this exact community here, where people ask what issues people encounter with Linux, and if I (or others) say I have any issues I get downvoted to hell.
It’s closer to present-day Lemmy. Certainly in terms of the concentration of crazy. A bunch of opinionated jackasses with delusions that their particular niche views are morally correct and should be the norm, and any deviation from that self-declared correct opinion gets shouted down. The wrong distribution, the wrong display server, the wrong init system, your app is not suckless enough, you’re the wrong kind of Libre, you’re wrong about something that a new user doesn’t even know exists… and that extends to maintainers and all the way up to the LKML too. If I saw the state of the discourse back in 2022, I would’ve thought twice about even trying to approach Linux.
It’s kind of crazy that I keep seeing this, as my experience with Linux users on Lemmy has been nothing but positive and helpful. People here are more than happy to help anyone who comes with questions.
The Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon (or frequency illusion If somebody has a chip on their shoulder about rude Linux users, the rude Linux users they see will be highly memorable.
People tend to get back the same energy that they project to other people.
My instance has a very laissez-faire policy, so it’s federated with almost everybody. My experience is the same; I’ve only ever seen self-aware mocking of the Linux-user attitude.
It definitely depends on your home instance. You’re on LBZ, and Ada is a helicopter parent who blocks, bans, and purges anything and anyone that may be upsetting to her children. So yes, you’re probably not exposed to the full picture on Lemmy.
Visit the comment threads on Phoronix and you’ll see WOKE and FASCIST and COMMUNIST and TANKIE and any number of insults thrown around like manure in a monkey cage. Or try to argue in favour of systemd in a high visibility thread and inevitably someone will say that it’s bloat, that it’s corporate trash, and recite “enshittiication” like it’s some Pavlovian reflex.
Easily the worst part of the Linux experience is its community.
The Linux community is just a bunch of nerds with superiority complex.
I use Arch btw.
Git gud, I use Gentoo.
Get real noob, I use bare Linux syscalls.
Yeah it’s super weird, if you go to a specific forum for help, like cachyos or bazzite, the community is bearable, and sometimes very helpful without being rude. But if you go to a general forum and state you’re having any issues with Linux you’ll be downvoted to hell and told Linux is still better than windows.
Because most questions have been asked a thousand times before. Windows users first need to learn to help themselves. Have you considered that I just don’t care to help some stranger switch to linux at all? Sometimes I just want to revel in using something better.
What? This is made up. Go to the Ask Linux community and explain where this is happening.
People who bitch and moan about Windows yet dismiss any alternative out of hand aren’t “having any issues with Linux.” Their issues are (a) with Windows and (b) not wanting to hear the truth of that being pointed out to them.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to pretend this post is saying something it’s not.
Obviously, being mean to someone making a good-faith effort to improve themselves and solve their problems is not okay, but that’s not what we’re talking about here.
It’s pretty hard to fit all of what you just said into a meme. For example your meme does not say that windows users are “dismissing any alternative out of hand”. It says windows users that refuse to switch. Maybe they hate windows but they literally must use Fusion 360 or AutoDesk or Meshmixer or RealityCapture or one of the numerous other software options that just do not work on windows.
Anyway, if what your meme is actually about is people that only use the browser and then refuse to switch but still constantly complain then yeah you’re dead on.
I see that now!
My meme is indeed sort of about that, but it’s even more about pushing back on the other thread and similar sentiments, where their flying monkeys defend their useless complaining and then try to make us out as the bad guys for responding in any way short of wallowing in their misery with them.
This has been my experience so far as well. But I’m also a cowboys fan who realizes we suck. So I’m used to being embarrassed by a small handful of my own community.
You mean the communities where the rules forbid asking newbie questions because people visit them to learn about new developments and inevitable FOSS dramas?
No I’m talking about complaining about the problems you’re having with Linux not asking for help with anything. It’s literally happened in this exact community here, where people ask what issues people encounter with Linux, and if I (or others) say I have any issues I get downvoted to hell.
Interestingly it was more or less the same on Reddit as well.
I mean that part makes sense. This is essentially the exact same community. Linux users will spread to any “general” Linux community on the web.
It’s like Reddit, or (self aware) cowboys fans.
The rest of the community embarrasses the large majority of us.
It’s closer to present-day Lemmy. Certainly in terms of the concentration of crazy. A bunch of opinionated jackasses with delusions that their particular niche views are morally correct and should be the norm, and any deviation from that self-declared correct opinion gets shouted down. The wrong distribution, the wrong display server, the wrong init system, your app is not suckless enough, you’re the wrong kind of Libre, you’re wrong about something that a new user doesn’t even know exists… and that extends to maintainers and all the way up to the LKML too. If I saw the state of the discourse back in 2022, I would’ve thought twice about even trying to approach Linux.
It’s kind of crazy that I keep seeing this, as my experience with Linux users on Lemmy has been nothing but positive and helpful. People here are more than happy to help anyone who comes with questions.
Maybe it depends on the instance?
I make my guess that there are two factors:
The Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon (or frequency illusion If somebody has a chip on their shoulder about rude Linux users, the rude Linux users they see will be highly memorable.
People tend to get back the same energy that they project to other people.
My instance has a very laissez-faire policy, so it’s federated with almost everybody. My experience is the same; I’ve only ever seen self-aware mocking of the Linux-user attitude.
It definitely depends on your home instance. You’re on LBZ, and Ada is a helicopter parent who blocks, bans, and purges anything and anyone that may be upsetting to her children. So yes, you’re probably not exposed to the full picture on Lemmy.
Visit the comment threads on Phoronix and you’ll see WOKE and FASCIST and COMMUNIST and TANKIE and any number of insults thrown around like manure in a monkey cage. Or try to argue in favour of systemd in a high visibility thread and inevitably someone will say that it’s bloat, that it’s corporate trash, and recite “enshittiication” like it’s some Pavlovian reflex.
I just want everyone to use an operating system that works for them and I’m tired of that being a hot take.
Oh my God right?