There are perfectly valid reasons not to switch to Linux. Many people could switch, which is why encouraging switching is fine, but when the entire work environment is in Windows, or they need specific software that does not work properly (or at all) on Linux, fully switching is not an option. I love me a “Windows Bad, Linux Good” meme, don’t get me wrong, but that is a meme at the end of the day. Reality is often much more nuanced, and this is no exception.
How many valid reasons are there not to switch and then continue to whine about Windows while still expecting sympathy?
This isn’t a “Windows bad, Linux good” meme. This is a meme fighting back at the other thread’s assertion that being less than sympathetic and accepting of their toxic learned helplessness – while they continue to support companies that attack our rights, BTW – somehow makes us the bad guys.
Someone made a tongue in cheek meme pointing out the obnoxious mentality of the “just use Linux” crowd and your response was to double down and prove their point.
So let me get this straight: Linux users trying in good faith to help people are obnoxious, but Windows users who bitch and moan and refuse to take responsibility for their self-inflicted problems somehow aren’t?
“Just use this other thing instead” has never been a good faith solution for when people have a problem with something else.
It doesn’t matter if you are right that tool a works better than tool b, especially when sometimes people are unfortunately not providing their own tools.
So no, your take is wrong again.
I say this from the position of someone who literally has tux tattooed on them.
The best part is I got it in Amsterdam and after bumbling through my awful Dutch the artist asked if we could switch to English where we both recognized each others accent and discovered we grew up in the same neighborhood (on the other side of the planet) and went to the same high school 6 years apart.
Just use this other thing instead” has never been a good faith solution
Bullshit. That is very often an excellent solution!
Second, the thing this post was made in response to is as follows, and I quote:
Sometimes people just want to be able to complain about Windows or iOS without being told about Linux.
…
If the obvious reply to the post is “use Linux,” as a rule, do not post that. You are not adding anything.
I counter with this: if you [speaking generally, the same way the the original post was – not referring to @prettybunnys specifically] know the obvious reply you’re gonna get is “use Linux” and you don’t want to hear it, don’t fucking post your complaint in the first place because you[again, speaking generally] aren’t adding anything! You [still speaking generally]are not entitled to complain and then tone-police the responses you solicited! Who the fuck do you [even more speaking generally] think you are, to believe that you have the right to bother us publicly with your problems [continuing to speak generally, and that part makes it obvious because “your problems” refers to Windows problems and @prettybunnys apparently has a Tux tattoo] but we don’t have the right to ‘bother’ you with the solutions to them in response?! How is that behavior anything other than incredibly toxic and condescending?
You must think you’re clever. Take a few days to think about what separates you (specifically) from the toxic “PC Master Race” evangelists, and maybe fornicate some greenery.
I was using “you” in the general sense the same way the post I was quoting used it, not to address @prettybunnys in particular. In fact, I’m well aware that specific-you was not among the general-“you” I was addressing, as I referenced people with “your [Windows] problems” and specific-you had made it clear that you’re a Linux user. (Cute tattoo, BTW, although I’d have believed you even without the picture.)
Anyway, I apologize for not making that clear enough. I should’ve noted it explicitly like I did in this other comment, but I thought the context was sufficient. Or maybe I just got lazy, and have no good excuse. Either way, personally attacking you was not what I intended.
I think the us vs them mentality, while totally normal human behavior, is unwarranted here.
I have tux tattooed on me because I make my living writing software predominantly for Linux, but I work from a unix system rather than Linux.
My next gig doing the same work I will likely be required to use a windows computer as my workstation. It will be out of my hands.
We use the tools we have, sometimes we can change our tools but more often than not people have the tools they have and ascribing your displeasure of their tool to that person is tech tribalism and part of the worst parts of human nature, even if it is over something so insignificant as which operating system someone else is using.
I don’t feel personally attacked by you, and idk why your comment was removed.
anyone who needs microsoft office. or the adobe suite. or visual studio. or autoCAD. or…
there’s a lot of professional creation software that’s not on linux. and yes, we have alternatives, and they’re cool, but they don’t work for everyone.
Depends on the organization. During my time at an MSP I saw plenty of orgs that could be switched to Linux tomorrow if the desire arose because everything happens in a web browser, but I also saw orgs where virtually every computer user was using different verieties of CAD so compatibility with both CAD and their fancy architectural plotters was business critical
Or OBS if they decided on Wayland since the shortcuts/hotkeys don’t work unless OBS is the active window.
This just happened to me… And it was the tipping point since Xlink Kai still doesn’t work on Linux, Music Bee is still my go to music player and MP3Tag only works on Windows… So I dunno, I just threw the towel, it works fine for a lot of things, but there’s too many “but” in my use case so I gave up for now.
There are perfectly valid reasons not to switch to Linux. Many people could switch, which is why encouraging switching is fine, but when the entire work environment is in Windows, or they need specific software that does not work properly (or at all) on Linux, fully switching is not an option. I love me a “Windows Bad, Linux Good” meme, don’t get me wrong, but that is a meme at the end of the day. Reality is often much more nuanced, and this is no exception.
How many valid reasons are there not to switch and then continue to whine about Windows while still expecting sympathy?
This isn’t a “Windows bad, Linux good” meme. This is a meme fighting back at the other thread’s assertion that being less than sympathetic and accepting of their toxic learned helplessness – while they continue to support companies that attack our rights, BTW – somehow makes us the bad guys.
Someone made a tongue in cheek meme pointing out the obnoxious mentality of the “just use Linux” crowd and your response was to double down and prove their point.
Classic
So let me get this straight: Linux users trying in good faith to help people are obnoxious, but Windows users who bitch and moan and refuse to take responsibility for their self-inflicted problems somehow aren’t?
“Just use this other thing instead” has never been a good faith solution for when people have a problem with something else.
It doesn’t matter if you are right that
tool aworks better thantool b, especially when sometimes people are unfortunately not providing their own tools.So no, your take is wrong again.
I say this from the position of someone who literally has tux tattooed on them.
Only incidental to your overall comment but that’s a great tattoo.
The best part is I got it in Amsterdam and after bumbling through my awful Dutch the artist asked if we could switch to English where we both recognized each others accent and discovered we grew up in the same neighborhood (on the other side of the planet) and went to the same high school 6 years apart.
That’s…fucking crazy but really cool. That’s such a great story to go along with the tattoo.
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Chill it with the insults.
You must think you’re clever. Take a few days to think about what separates you (specifically) from the toxic “PC Master Race” evangelists, and maybe fornicate some greenery.
A human who largely succeeds in communicating with other humans without resorting to talking to them the way you are.
Take care dude
I was using “you” in the general sense the same way the post I was quoting used it, not to address @prettybunnys in particular. In fact, I’m well aware that specific-you was not among the general-“you” I was addressing, as I referenced people with “your [Windows] problems” and specific-you had made it clear that you’re a Linux user. (Cute tattoo, BTW, although I’d have believed you even without the picture.)
Anyway, I apologize for not making that clear enough. I should’ve noted it explicitly like I did in this other comment, but I thought the context was sufficient. Or maybe I just got lazy, and have no good excuse. Either way, personally attacking you was not what I intended.
I think the us vs them mentality, while totally normal human behavior, is unwarranted here.
I have tux tattooed on me because I make my living writing software predominantly for Linux, but I work from a unix system rather than Linux.
My next gig doing the same work I will likely be required to use a windows computer as my workstation. It will be out of my hands.
We use the tools we have, sometimes we can change our tools but more often than not people have the tools they have and ascribing your displeasure of their tool to that person is tech tribalism and part of the worst parts of human nature, even if it is over something so insignificant as which operating system someone else is using.
I don’t feel personally attacked by you, and idk why your comment was removed.
For some people, using windows in a VM might also be a good fallback, specially for older and/or lightweight software.
Anything to do with hw, non-steam gaming or heavy applications might be a hit or miss
How many people have such work envs?
I hate that people (not you) keep saying “Linux is for tech people only” and “My workflow is super Windows specific”.
Like is both are true, fine, but that must be like 0.1% of users.
anyone who needs microsoft office. or the adobe suite. or visual studio. or autoCAD. or…
there’s a lot of professional creation software that’s not on linux. and yes, we have alternatives, and they’re cool, but they don’t work for everyone.
Office is online nowadays…
And what is the percentage of users who need such specific software?
Depends on the organization. During my time at an MSP I saw plenty of orgs that could be switched to Linux tomorrow if the desire arose because everything happens in a web browser, but I also saw orgs where virtually every computer user was using different verieties of CAD so compatibility with both CAD and their fancy architectural plotters was business critical
like nearly every single work environment
A lot. Like, a lot.
Have you ever worked corporate
I have, and a colleague next to me handed me a Fedora DVD on a third consecutive day of hour and half long morning windows updates.
Never looked back.
At least 90% of the companies are like that.
Anyone dependent on Adobe suite.
Or OBS if they decided on Wayland since the shortcuts/hotkeys don’t work unless OBS is the active window.
This just happened to me… And it was the tipping point since Xlink Kai still doesn’t work on Linux, Music Bee is still my go to music player and MP3Tag only works on Windows… So I dunno, I just threw the towel, it works fine for a lot of things, but there’s too many “but” in my use case so I gave up for now.