This isn’t meant to be a discussion on the morality of the embargo, but the affects of the embargo ending for both countries. These affects can be political, economic, or social.
Same thing that would happen if sanctions on Afghanistan were lifted. Regular people’s lives would improve as the country could import what they need (Cuba is really lacking in cement and medical supplies for example iirc, and they can’t import them cuz of the embargo).
Obviously not much would change in the US, aside from some people realizing socialism isn’t too bad when you’re not a tiny country sanctioned and blockaded by the most war-mongering nation in the world.
The US would start importing Havana Club
Mass immigration into Cuba?
probably, just look at how many people are retiring to Vietnam.
I wonder how many poor retirees would consider it if the options are living in a modest apartment in Cuba surrounded by a great health care system versus shitting in a bucket in a van down by the river.
Massive inequality growth in Cuba
Does Desi Arnaz (a Cuban) and Lucille Ball (an American) have to do with this subject?
If not, then I probably brought it up out of nowhere because I watched I Love Lucy before.
No. It is due to the Cuban protests.
Heheheh, right. I missed the subject. :P
It would be interesting if they had an “I Love Lucy” experience in Havana as a tourist trap.
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It’s a small economic quirk, but I imagine many Cubans would be selling their old American cars to collectors State-side for a quick cash influx.
And Americans would be eager to travel to Cuba for tropical tourism. That feels like a longer lasting economic change.
I was curious about that lung cancer treatment and found this Snopes article. Sounds like in Cuba it’s demonstrated that it can add several months to some people’s lives after they’re diagnosed with lung cancer. Phase II clinical trials are underway in the US as of last year, and preliminary results show particular success in combination with other existing treatments. They’ve expanded the trial to cover some other forms of cancer too
Whoa! Thanks for the info, that’s really cool
Do you think medical tourism would become big?
I think that largely depends on how easy it becomes for Americans to travel to Cuba. I imagine there’d be a bubble for most economic exchanges in the get go, but after it would normalize more.
I’m not really sure what constitutes “big” or how large the medical tourism industry is, say, between Mexico and the US, but I know it exists.
I’ve heard that Cuban healthcare is very good, but I’m unsure how accessible it would be to Americans. Being an American, I really don’t know much about Cuba… but I’ve heard a few general things.
Aren’t cubans still banned from using the real money?
I think Cuba uses the Cuban peso, the real hasn’t been in use for centuries.
There was a cuban peso and convertible peso, but apparently they’ve been merged 3 years ago. So the sanctions probably are the main barrier to free trade now.
I’m thinking about a holiday there - friends who’ve been really enjoyed it. The beaches, the food, the music. https://www.onthebeach.co.uk/destinations/caribbean/cuba
realisticly, i dont think much outside of trade restrictions to cuba would help them. politically on the states side whichever party removes it loses a lot of Cuban voters who migrated to Florida who are in the camp of not liking Cuba. can potentially turn the state the other parties color goven how swingstatey Florida is on its own.
You don’t think trade with the world’s biggest economy and closest physical neighbor would have much of anmeffect?
not saying trade wont have an effect, its just definitely on one side, it would be minimal, and Cuba for sure would benefit (heavily) from not having import restrictions. Relationships between the twp countries at least immediately, would not change.
Right.
That said, Cuba doesn’t really have import restriction, it’s the US has export restrictions.
yeah effectively the same if its in context of just the two countries i guess. Regardless, Cuba has a lot to gain on being able to trade for cheap produce made in the U.S, and at least, have another large country to compete for sales outside of Brazil (whose fast tracked into being virtually the largest agrarian society these days)
the end result is basically Cuban Tourism goes up, U.S exports to Cuba drives food prices down.
The food prices falling might actually result in a net negative impact on their economy.
If local producers can’t viably compete with aggressively low priced American crops, they’ll lose out heavily.On the whole, the tourism will probably bring in a lot of money, but a good chunk of it would leave the island immediately, and they’d have to wrangle a flood of goods they didn’t have to compete with before.
(A lot of Caribbean islands end up in situations where the major tourist hubs are owned by American companies that pay locals as little as possible and then ship the profits back to the US. So the island just sees the benefit of 40 jobs, not 200 high paying tourists a month)the type of crops cuba grows arent the main exports that the U.S typically goes through. iirc theyre big on sugarcane and rice, neither of which are major US exports reletive to the global scale of exports.
at worst, the citrus market in cuba crumbles, but thats less significant than the above two.
We actually export a huge amount of rice. https://fas.usda.gov/data/commodities/rice (3 million tons exported, to Cuba’s 200k total production). We’re actually the fifth largest exporter.
We also produce more sugar cane, but Brazil is the real power player there.Cuba wouldn’t be alone in being injured by US agricultural exports. Our volume and low cost can, for example, make people prefer imported American grains over domestic production, even if they’re different types.
Not exactly.
Any ship that docks in Cuba is barred entry to US ports in the next 180 days.
The US can also sanction foriegn companies that trade with Cuba.
It’s not a blockade but it has a chilling effect on trade.
Florida has already gone pretty Republican, so I don’t imagine that changing.
Vietnam was embargoed until the 90s, and dropping it basically allowed the soft power of the US to do it’s thing. 'Nam isn’t really an ally of the US, they consider themselves neutral, but they’re undeniably very friendly. I suspect that a generation of trade and tourism could do the same to our relationship with Cuba and might result in softening attitudes among Cuban-Americans as they reestablish contact with their families and reconcile lingering animosity from the revolution.
I think this would also work for the DPRK, Iran, and others. Trade is really nice and children are rarely willing to carry the grudges of their parents.
Mass medical tourism and the collapse of the corporativist medical industry in the US.
Who do you think will build resort hotels?
Significant improvement in the quality of life of Cubans. Probably also increase US tourism to Cuba. Not sure if it would have any real impact on the average US citizen.
Some have mentioned medical tourism. Could an industry grow around that? Would American insurance programs start covering work done in Cuba?
Just to shine light on something positive for the US, it could be a good thing for American rice growers as Cuba could possibly become large buyer of USA rice
I would also expect American pork to be big in Cuba as well.
It would improve living standards and mortality rates for Cuban citizens.
Nothing because embargos/sanctions don’t work. Well except for alleviating the suffering that they needlessly cause.
They work in that they reduce resources, and make acquiring some things impossible or extremely limited.
They’re just not good at actually changing policy. Actually harmful even, as the state you’re trying to harm has a ready excuse at hand for any problems.
