• Fedizen@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    If it was her gun (which it was), yeah this makes sense. If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something? idk its a wild world.

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      10 hours ago

      If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something?

      That’s what a jurry would consider after both sides have made their case.

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      22 hours ago

      If one is to reach for the most unlikely thing to happen to base their opinion on, then I suppose that you have a point.

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        26 minutes ago

        I know a kid who as a teenager beat his mom with his fists, the problem with the “parents are always in control of their kids” idea is its a fantasy. At some point you will end up blaming a victim.

        Reasonable precautions should always be made: gun safes, therapy, etc. Kids frequently are smarter or dumber or nicer or meaner than their parents and its always gonna be that way.

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          13 hours ago

          If the case was that this kid got the gun from another kid Who got the gun from home: The kid who pulled the trigger, and the weapons dealer, all of their parents should be put in jail. All of their parents Should not be able to be guardians of another child in the future.

          It is always the parents’s fault.

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            10 hours ago

            This seems overly knee jerky. So if good parents have a kid who shoots a teacher, with a gun that came from another kid at school, those good parents should go to jail?

            You realize six isn’t old enough to know what they are truly doing. They don’t grasp life vs death, they would likely not even see “shooting the teacher” as anything more than play before they did it. It’s exactly for this reason that we don’t hold children accountable in the same way we do adults.

            Are there outliers? Absolutely. But to just make a blanket statement that every adult involved should go to jail is an extreme I just can’t agree with.

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              10 hours ago

              Please teach your children that if another child hands them a firearm in school, to not take that firearm and deliberately shoot the teacher. I think that’s parenting 101

              I am perfectly fine with the child being put in jail, but I think you would probably disagree with that.

              Yes, I realize that six is not old enough to know what they are truly doing… But that does not excuse the parents. That’s the whole thing I’m saying. This is my opinion. There are zero things you can do to change my mind. It is perfectly fine that you disagree with my opinion, I don’t disrespect you for not sharing my opinion.

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                10 hours ago

                My dude, if you think telling a kid not to do something means they won’t do it, you’re obviously not a parent.

                You can’t reasonably assume a kid isn’t going to do something at six. Even if you’ve told them not to do that thing every day of their life. It’s why child locks exist. It’s why kids end up in the hospital every day.

                In a perfect world you could just type out on a keyboard “Johnny isn’t allowed to go in the pool area without an adult” and he’d listen. in the real world Johnny wants the ball, and it’ll be real quick, and mommy is busy, and he’s bringing the dog that counts, and oh shit Johnny drowned.

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                  10 hours ago

                  My homie, Telling a child not to steal bubblegum from the store, or open that cabinet, or pull the dogs’s tail… Are all things I would expect a child to ignore

                  I agree that six years old is really too young to expect them to understand anything… Which is why, when something serious like this happens… The parents have to be punished.

                  We can keep arguing forever. This is how I feel, and I respect that you feel the way you feel and I have no interest in trying to convince you to feel the way I feel. Please understand that there is zero possibility that I, at this point in my life, I’m going to change my opinion about humanity.