• 6nk06@sh.itjust.works
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    As an older computer guy, I can relate and would never prevent someone from getting a certification in a manual job.

    It’s a bit of a shitshow for software engineers in France. Most job offers are about fullstack/web stuff, the kind of software that is the most easily generated by AI.

    AI is not destroying software jobs yet, but companies are definitely laying the ground for automation and layoffs, whether they do it on purpose or not.

    I’m looking for more industrial job offers and it’s a bit hard to find. I could go freelance and work remotely, but I have never done this before and I lack the time to do that. It was bad ten years ago but I still had hope, now I will get the first job that accepts me. And in 5 or 10 years I’m not sure I’ll have any choice left but to switch to another kind of job.

    As for the idea that “new jobs will emerge,” I dont believe it.

    Sorry for the rant.

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      I think there’s a lot of people not realizing that the AI works better (as in “hallucinates less and it’s mediocrity is better accepted”) in office jobs than in specialized blue-collar jobs.

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      But as a web developer I gotta also point out that usually AIs just can’t work decently within actual codebases of already existing software, and leaving an AI to do all the job usually means having to deal with shitty code that barely works or situations where things look like they’re working but actually isn’t properly. Moreover, even desktop software tends to bloat inevitably. The latest example is the Windows Notepad that takes 30mb just to open an empty .txt file. You also can’t work with AI proficiently with technologies that aren’t widely used

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      As a DevOps guy, automation has already greatly impacted software development. I’ve made a good career from being the guy that makes it so. However we’ve always had enough growth that it hasn’t noticeable reduced the number of jobs.

      I’m ambivalent about AI. Companies clearly want it to reduce jobs but so far it is only good enough to be a tool to make developers slightly more efficient. I have a hard time believing that replacing developers could be successful without huge improvements in the technology

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        Developers who rely on AI are up to 19% slower than users who don’t use AI because AI needs constant babysitting

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    Sure. They said that about degrees a couple of decades ago and then outsourced all the jobs. They’ll do the same thing to these vocational jobs.

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      Only so much outsourcing you can do for trade work. Indians living in India can’t exactly fix your pipes remotely.

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        You know. After declaring a teacher shortage, they imported teachers from Mexico. They could import plumbers, carpenters, or a lot of people that aren’t computer savvy. They need them for the corporate owned housing.

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              I dunno I don’t really foresee armies of ICE laborers being let out of detention to come fix your HVAC…to arrive more back at the point.

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                  With all due respect, which I have no idea what amount that is, this is completely absurd. Most trade work is just not being outsourced because it has to be done locally and that they have a vocational program in a jail somewhere doesn’t prove anything.

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      Plenty of those “Black jobs” waiting. Say thank you to MAGA for getting those immigrants out of the fields, so black people can go back to doing what makes them happiest.

      /S, because there are people who actually believe this.

  • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Yeah…let me know when the wealth class stops sending their kids to college and start sending them to trade schools instead.

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    Bs. Looks like it’s based on over-exuberant tech predictions and a study that “Bartenders and baristas are even seeing bigger pay raises than desk workers, right now”. There’s even a line about being prepared for any new jobs that might appear without connecting that to whether an education is likely to make you more prepared

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      I hate to say it, but the same rules don’t apply to his kids or other kids with parents in similar roles. They are going to be given jobs without much effort.

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    Yup. I went back to school a few years ago after being burned out.

    I studied to be a developer because I like building things and problem solving. Finished a couple years ago. I spent a year looking for a job but I could only get one call back. And they still ghosted me after.

    Maybe it’s me, but I’ve always been good with resumes and interviews before.

    There aren’t many junior developer jobs out there. And if there are any, the don’t pay a livable wage anymore.

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    I’m not going to write that big corporations went into hiring freeze for office jobs in developed countries and made a list of countries they are allowed to hire for office jobs. Your country is not on the list, you won’t be hired. They’re spending their money on robots, computers and AI. That’s what you get from monopolies.

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    There are no proper jobs, whatever you do. There is no security. Don’t listen to this CEO, a trade won’t help either.

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      I’m a mechanic.

      a trade won’t help

      This is why I’m a mechanic. Forklifts have to work, or nobody works. Whether industry is rising or falling, something has to put it up and take it down.

      I’ll get paid in rice and beans to fix someone’s truck after the collapse. New boss? Same rules. Machines have to work, or nobody works.