• Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    Oop… ooh boy here we go with the twitter/reddit talking points 😬

    There is zero amount of attraction you can have to kids before you become a monster. The only difference between a MAP and a chomo is time. I’m honestly floored here of all places you would see pedo apologia like this, but the federation has been disappointing me a lot recently.

    EDIT: Wait what?? I didn’t read this but “People are attracted to people their own age” maybe it’s just my asexuality talking but i’m pretty sure you don’t feel “attraction” until your sex juices start flowing. One thing I do remember as a kid was feeling socially pressured to go out with girls even though I was prepubescent and had no interest in that sort of thing, and not understanding why I didn’t feel like I had to.

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      9 months ago

      You can’t just apply your experience to everyone especially if your experience is not the typical one as you’ve stated you’re asexual. Nothing wrong with being asexual, but that’s not the typical state most people are in.

      That aside the example was 14 years old, your “sex juices” are absolutely “flowing” at that point.

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      9 months ago

      You wouldn’t have a point even if my user history was 100% anime. If “they like anime” is the most damning comeback you can come up with, I’m not sure where to even begin setting you straight.

      It’s pretty clear that actual level-headed discussion by people who have looked into the reasearch on this is something that sets off a raging hate-boner for you, completely preventing you from actually considering what is being said.

      Your very first edit revealed you didn’t even read my full comment before responding. I’m not sure you’ve fully understood any part of what I’ve said, or you’d be attempting and failing to dismantle my argument, instead of attempting and failing to dismantle my character.

      You’re being downvoted because you’re simply wrong on this, and being a hateful asshole about it to boot.

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      9 months ago

      Also, to make it very clear, at no point did I say being turned on by kids is ok.

      I said the condition itself doesn’t automatically turn a person into a rapist, the same way a normal sex drive doesn’t either.

      Seriously, look it up, “treatments” for pedophilia, boiled down, is literally just consent training, and it works. Not in the sense that the libido goes away (though that can be done medically) but in the sense that these people do not then go on to rape anyone, children or otherwise.

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      9 months ago

      The fact that you’re ace explains a bit. You simply have no experience with this.

      When I was 14, I was horny as hell. My “sex juices” were most certainly flowing. I crushed on several girls in school but at that age I was far too awkward to even speak to them. Let alone know what to do with my frustration aside from masturbate.

      Not allowing my libido to drive me to hurting someone is the easiest thing ever. It was then, still is today. (No, I do not feel a need to fuck a 14-year-old, I sleep with adults around my own age)

      Nothing about the research into pedophilia suggests that their libidos work in some different way. If you’re a moral person who doesn’t want to hurt anyone, you will do your best not to. And not having sex with children is a pretty easy call to make.

      I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t exactly think clearly when turned on, but it has never, ever, even in a years-long dry spell, led me to even slightly consider actually doing something with someone without their consent.

      Nothing you can tell me can convince me that a person who doesn’t want to hurt others, can be made to do so by their sex drive.

      Especially considering you don’t even know what having a libido feels like.

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        9 months ago

        You’re just assuming I don’t feel attraction. I do, I just don’t feel attracted to children. Ace people aren’t fucking robots you know.

        You need to take the appropriate steps to make sure you don’t either because it’s only a matter of time before you end up acting on it. Normal people don’t feel this overpowering pull you’re describing.

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          Good. Has it ever been too intense to override your ability to stop yourself? No?

          Why would it be different for a pedo?

          If child molesters were somehow driven by a cerebral malfunction they can’t do anything about, they’d be pitiable, not monsters worthy of death. They chose to do it.

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              For what?

              What is it you fear I will do if I don’t? Educate people more?

              If I was what you seem to be suggesting I am, do you even know what “help” would be? I do.

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                yo, Just wanted to give you props for remaining far calmer in this discussion than I would’ve been able to.

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                  Yeah…

                  Looking at the edits they made to their initial comment. I’m not sure where to even start explaining why they’re wrong about this.

                  Apparently liking anime is damning evidence to this person, and their point about feeling unsafe is hilarious considering their attempts at lumping me together with the worst of the worst in order to boost their own position.

                  Nevermind the actual risk to my safety it could be if they succeed.

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          You are in the wrong side of this.Theres a German doc shedding some light on this issue:

          https://youtu.be/vogs4NzqI3Q (money quote around 7:07), basically “half the perpetrators of child sexual abuse do not feel an attraction to kids. On the other hand, half the people who do feel attracted to kids do not become perpetrators.”

          Basically, half the people abusing kids don’t do so because they’re attracted to kids but presumably because they’re easier victims whereas half the people getting attracted to life feel disgusted by themselves.

          It’s, for all that we know, as congenital as being straight or queer. Now, with queer and straight preference, you don’t necessarily run into consent problems. Imagine you notice yourself being attracted to, idk, 15-year-olds. You’re otherwise a reasonably well adjusted human being. That’s gotta be devastating. You can’t help it, you were born this way. There’s no redemption arc here, the only thing you can do is just never ever give in to this feeling.