• Mango@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I’m personally getting really sick and tired of anyone’s trying to decide what the ‘best interests’ are of another person.

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      8 months ago

      I haven’t read the article…yet (after a skim I agree with the article). I really don’t know how to feel about the gay/trans issue as I’m fine with my kids being gay or trans, but I don’t want anyone dictating to me what religion or philosophy I raise my kids with, so I feel like I shouldn’t get to say what the nut jobs believe it what they tell their children (to a point)… This is tough

      You aren’t a parent are you? Cause children will actually hurt themselves badly, and really do need active care at an early age.

      For older children setting boundaries for your children so they aren’t assholes is “determining best interests”.

      I don’t want people telling me what religion or philosophy to raise my kids in, I kind of think of this as parents rights. Of course as kids get to be adults those go away.

  • anon6789@lemmy.world
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    I read the article, and it made me think that I can’t think of anything like a Childrens’ Bill of Rights. Just basically thinking out loud here but…

    Everyone talks about wanting to protect children, but there is no basic framework in place to treat them differently in protecting their individual personhood. Something basic, written in simple language, that a young child can understand, to make sure they are treated fairly and safely. Like a little laminated card you can give children when they get to school.

    Children should have some agency in their own care, or to be able to protect other children, but we leave all the legal action in the hands of those who would be the ones causing them harm. It just seems odd to me.

    Disclaimer: Not a parent, not Canadian, just someone who came across this and started thinking…

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      8 months ago

      Full agreement, but also I think adolescents in particular need defined rights as they grow into adulthood. A 5 year old, 8 year old, and 10 year old need similar rights, but a 14 year old needs a 4 year path to adulthood that makes clear how their rights and responsibilities in the eyes of the law increase. In my country the only place a 16 year old is an adult is on trial.

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        8 months ago

        Ahh, no wonder I never heard of this…

        From Wikipedia:

        The United States government played an active role in the drafting of the convention and signed it on 16 February 1995, but has not ratified it. It has been claimed that American opposition to the convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives.

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        Most notably, at the time several states permitted the execution and life imprisonment of juvenile offenders, a direct contravention of Article 37 of the convention.

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        During his 2008 campaign for President, Senator Barack Obama described the failure to ratify the convention as “embarrassing” and promised to review the issue but, as President, he never did. No President of the United States has submitted the treaty to the United States Senate requesting its advice and consent to ratification since the US signed it in 1995.

        😔😔😔

        This would make me feel very alone as a child to know this… 😢

        Edit: Been reading more and kinda sad child marriage isn’t part of it. Also corporal punishment should go away too.

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    8 months ago

    There’s no such thing as ‘parents’ rights’

    Parents have a right to raise their children in accordance with their own values

    Great start!

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      8 months ago

      Finish the thought.

      . But that doesn’t give them the right to override their children’s own rights under the Charter, notably their children’s rights to life and security of the person.

      Parents have the right to teach their values not as a product of being parents, but as a result of their individual rights to freedom of expression. What they don’t have is a right to enforce those values on their child if their child rejects them.