I see all over Lemmy, people really seem to hate hexbear, and I don’t get it. Can someone explain why most of Lemmy seems to absolutely hate them?

  • ahto@discuss.tchncs.de
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    6 months ago

    Huh, TIL that “liberals” doesn’t include socialists and communists. I always thought of “liberals” and “conservatives” as general terms for left and right.

    • CloutAtlas [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      6 months ago

      Liberalism fundamentally has an incompatiblity with socialism and communism because it’s fubdamentally rooted in the rights of an individual to own land and/or the means of production, as well as supporting market economies.

      This is in stark contrast to workers owning the means of production, or seizing private property for the greater good.

      Liberals in other countries tend to be centre right, such as the Australian liberals or a fair amount of European liberals.

    • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      There was a similar use in the 17 and 1800s when conservatives were the upper nobility and liberals were the lower nobility and capitalists (this caused problems when the liberals, who used the working class to carry out their revolution, then turned on the working class when their own aims were achieved, since at that point, the interests of the lower nobility+capitalist classes diverged with the working class, which typically left the liberals unable to defend themselves from the forces of reaction. This happened at least 5 different times.).

      Today though, conservatives are still liberal.

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      6 months ago

      I’ll be honest, I’m irony poisoned enough to can’t tell if you’re joking or just an American.

      But just in case you’re serious, I’ll give a real short crash course on the difference between the left and right - and I mean this is really low brow basic that would get me shit for vulgarizing it so much.

      If you wish to abolish the capitalist economic mode of production and establish a socialist economic mode of production, you’re on the left.

      If you do not wish to do that, you’re on the right. This is why we - communists - call everyone from social democrats to fascists “Right-ists”. They do not seek to abolish the current form of economic production, but preserve it. Ergo, why we call everyone liberals, for wanting to preserve the liberal market economy.

      • Microw@lemm.ee
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        6 months ago

        Thats the economic take. If we talk about personal freedom and societal values, you’ll end up with different categories, hence labels like “left-liberal” or “left-authoritarian” etc.

      • ahto@discuss.tchncs.de
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        6 months ago

        No, I’m not joking, my confusion stemmed from the fact that those who used those terms always seemed to mean them in the way I described. (Probably mostly Americans who grew up with the two party system)

        In Germany - at least in my bubble - we don’t talk about “liberals” vs “conservatives”, the spectrum is more diverse.

        • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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          6 months ago

          Yeah no from what I’ve heard, it’s just as bad in Germany, with Die Linke being controlled by social democrats. Which is weird considering East Germany is still in living memory and (I’d hope) your education covering how the nazis rose to power, since the split between liberals and communists is pretty important.