• Eugenia@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I personally don’t have a problem with run0 over sudo, however, I don’t want to have to remember to use a different command on the terminal. Just rename it “sudo”, and do the new stuff with it. Just don’t bother me having to remember new commands.

    • TechNom (nobody)@programming.devEnglish
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      1 year ago

      You can uninstall the sudo application and add sudo as an alias for run0 in your shell initialization script. That’s better than them renaming run0 to sudo, because that will prevent people from running the real sudo if they want it.

    • Dracocide@lemm.eeAkan
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      1 year ago

      I never understood the hate, tbh. A lot of users don’t even care if Sysd is used, as long as it works. So… Since the majority of distros use it… I think it works enough.

      • steeznson@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        I think some of the hate is from the main systemd dev, Poettering, being so abrasive on social media. He’s got a hateboner for certain distros (which don’t ship with systemd as the default).

      • HubertManne@kbin.social
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        1 year ago

        I understand the concern about the future and we have seen overbloated projects have issues. In the long run though I will use what works best for me and only get into philosophical comparisons if im making the choice between relatively equal options.

      • Grangle1@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        It seems to me to be mainly from people who are dedicated to the Unix philosophy that programs should do only one thing, and do it well. Tying everything up into systemd doesn’t follow that. I don’t care either, and I don’t mind systemd, but some people care about it enough to throw paragraphs of hate on it wherever it’s mentioned online. And apparently it’s “bloat”, and to some " bloat" is worse than the devil himself.

        • Laurel Raven@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          1 year ago

          My main issues are that it obfuscates things and seems to consume everything it can into itself.

          Honestly, if it were more transparent and designed in a way to easily facilitate swapping out components with alternatives, I’d be a lot more okay with it.

        • Max-P@lemmy.max-p.me
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          1 year ago

          If you dig deeper into systemd, it’s not all that far off the Unix philosophy either. Some people seem to think the entirety of systemd runs as PID1, but it really only spawns and tracks processes. Most systemd components are separate processes that focus on their own thing, like journald and log management. It’s kinda nice that they all work very similarly, it makes for a nice clean integrated experience.

          Because it all lives in one repo doesn’t mean it makes one big fat binary that runs as PID1 and does everything.

          • optissima@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            This is what turned me around: investigating and realizing that it is following the unix philosophy, it’s just under the hood (under the other hood inside the bigger under the hood).

  • t0m5k1@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Never had an issue.

    Might look for a replacement should an issue arise.

    Been driving Linux since sarge.

  • AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Hey Lennart, I have a good addition to your project, it’s called myballsd and it’s a daemon that automatically formats your drives and replaces them with images of my cock and balls every time you have a shit idea

    Maybe give it a whirl, maybe you’d stop with your dogshit ideas

  • jeremyparker@programming.dev
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    1 year ago

    Me: Oh, I get it, this “Lemmy” website – it’s like The Onion but for nerds?

    My fellow lemmings: No, they’re serious. run0 is real.

    Me: Hah. The Onion, but for nerds! I love it.

  • ancap shark@lemmy.today
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    1 year ago

    Will this be an integral part of systemd, or will they release it as a separate thing? I mean, if I like it, but I’m not using systemd (I do use it, but I’m just thinking about it), could I use this run0 (horrible name) without having to buy into all of systemd?

  • Fizz@lemmy.nz
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    1 year ago

    Sounds good. It’s a win win. People that doesn’t like the system d implementation can use doas or keep sudo. I Hate the name though. Run0 is dumb can’t they just steal the name doas

  • kixik@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I’m not systemd user, and I generally see this absorbing as much as possible as a terrible practice. I don’t usually comment on systemd stuff, since I’m happy just not being forced to use it.

    However, even though I don’t use it, the decision of people managing systemd really affects non systemd users. See by succeeding in getting all major distros into become systemd distros (somehow now governed by RH, if anyone cares), everything systemd absorbs tend to leave alternatives sooner or later deprecated, or abandoned.

    Even autofs is no longer part of some official repos, given systemd has its own auto mount/unmount functionality… And there are several other examples…

    At any rate, hopefully the more bloated systemd, doesn’t make it the more vulnerable. And also hopefully, doesn’t make life worse and worse to non systemd distros and users…

    BTW, before sudo there was su, so a life without sudo is possible, :)

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    At this point I looks to replace systemd with vim. Anything better than systemd mess

    • The Doctor@beehaw.orgEnglish
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      1 year ago

      He’s trying to turn Linux into Windows NT. And Microsoft hired him as a reward for doing so.

    • TechNom (nobody)@programming.devEnglish
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      1 year ago

      The vast majority of Linux users consider systemd as a good thing because it apparently makes system administration easier. They also don’t agree that systemd is monolithic, because it’s actually designed modular.

      But of course there are detractors. The only thing I like about systemd is its declarative service definition and parallel service startup. But if I wanted to run an OS with bloated and inscrutable software (even with the source code), my choice wouldn’t be Linux or Systemd.

      I also routinely switch parts of my OS. This is harder with systemd. Although it is modular, the modules are so tightly coupled that it will prevent the replacement of modular components with alternatives. Frankly, I think systemd is killing the innovation in system component development.

      • Zucca@sopuli.xyz
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        1 year ago

        because it’s actually designed modular

        Oh? Try to use systemd without logind or journald. logind isn’t so bad, but journald was bad enough, that I gave up with systemd.

        • TechNom (nobody)@programming.devEnglish
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          1 year ago

          I use Gentoo with OpenRC. So my position in this matter should be clear. Anyway, check the last paragraph again to see what I think about systemd’s modularity.

          • Zucca@sopuli.xyz
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            1 year ago

            Yes. I agreed with you. But I made it sound like something else. Bad wording on my side.

            As I’m too Gentoo openrc user. I also use seatd+greetd instead of (e)logind and replacing sysvinit with openrc-init. The availability of choices made me do it!