• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    If someone walks into a hospital and says they want to inject bleach into their veins to cure COVID, is that still covered under bodily autonomy?

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      6 months ago

      She didn’t want to cure Covid in a hospital, she wanted to end her suffering by ending her life in a dignified way.

      So are you against bodily autonomy?

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            6 months ago

            That’s because it’s unreasonable and made in bad faith.

            I don’t support any right as an absolute principle. Rights have to be balanced against each other with consideration of the material effects. What you’re doing is applying a principle designed to cover one type of situation to a situation that is only superficially similar. A reductive tactic to avoid engaging with the complexity of the issue.

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                6 months ago

                Not beating the bad faith allegations lmao

                If it’s such a simple issue, why couldn’t you answer my question 🤔 could it be that you don’t support bodily autonomy as an absolute principle either 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

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              6 months ago

              Lol and yours isn’t in bad faith. Comparing an informed decision to end their life against someone wanting to inject bleach because they think it will help them when it would kill them. One is misinformed, the other is not.

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                It’s not a comparison at all. People on here really don’t seem to understand how hypotheticals work.

                What I’m doing with that is merely establishing that the right to bodily autonomy is, like all rights, not absolute. There are cases where it has to be balanced against other rights or material considerations. At no point did I claim that it was analogous to assisted suicide. There is nothing remotely bad faith about establishing that point.

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                  6 months ago

                  You brought up a random hypothetical that’s not meant to be analogous but you used it in your argument… You asked if it was body autonomy to want to inject bleech, ignoring the nuance of being informed or not. It was a bad faith example, and you continued to ignore nuance to force an answer you wanted.

                  Your hypothetical is about someone making an uninformed decision that could kill them. This story is about a person making an informed one. Yes, if someone wants to do something that could harm them, without turn realizing, we should educate them. But if the person is informed and wants to take their life, that’s their right. And if a person wants to inject bleach, knowing full well what it will do, then that’s their right, it’s their life. Trying to parent every adult in the world is silly and insulting.

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                    6 months ago

                    So you don’t support bodily autonomy as an absolute principle. Or else you don’t understand what the word “absolute” means.