We have 10 trillion dollars more GDP. If China wants to declare open season on EV’s there’s no reason we can’t beat them at this game. This policy is meant purely to prevent our auto industry from having to innovate like a competitive market would force. Nope we’re going to have 50k E-SUVs that spy on us and fall apart. And we’ll like it. Because they also passed legislation in my state to ban the sale of new gas cars in 6 years. And the mass transit system is. not. ready.
But is the Kangoo in the same price category as the EVs that spy on us? Is it even released at a time when major corporations spying on everyone is so normalized like it is today? I think both of these being no would explain why that car is so nice, simple, and reliable.
I see a bunch of people freaking out over EVs, panicking about spying or being disabled remotely. But the newer ICE cars are, AFAICT, the same thing. I just want everyone worried about this 1984 shit to not be burying their heads in the sand. I’m worried about it also. We should organize against it. (I guess the person I responded to didn’t think ICE cars are any better, after all. But it did seem so at first.)
Yeah, buy used for now, but I’d like to stop the practice entirely. Otherwise they can just wait it out as more and more old cars are totaled or unmaintainable.
Have you seen the reports from China about their EVs? If it’s about falling appart, they’re far ahead of anything any western manufacturers could produce lol
We have 10 trillion dollars more GDP. If China wants to declare open season on EV’s there’s no reason we can’t beat them at this game. This policy is meant purely to prevent our auto industry from having to innovate like a competitive market would force. Nope we’re going to have 50k E-SUVs that spy on us and fall apart. And we’ll like it. Because they also passed legislation in my state to ban the sale of new gas cars in 6 years. And the mass transit system is. not. ready.
You seem to think the ICE cars are not spying on you nor falling apart.
No, I’m under no illusions. I’m just not happy at the lack of competition.
2014 Kangoo begs to differ (no options, except the brown color).
We got one, it’s pretty much unkillable. We even used it to gather wood.
But is the Kangoo in the same price category as the EVs that spy on us? Is it even released at a time when major corporations spying on everyone is so normalized like it is today? I think both of these being no would explain why that car is so nice, simple, and reliable.
AFAIK every ICE car model has some cutoff year after which they have added spy tech. You do have to buy used to not be spied upon. Mozilla did a page on Renault here: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/renault/
I see a bunch of people freaking out over EVs, panicking about spying or being disabled remotely. But the newer ICE cars are, AFAICT, the same thing. I just want everyone worried about this 1984 shit to not be burying their heads in the sand. I’m worried about it also. We should organize against it. (I guess the person I responded to didn’t think ICE cars are any better, after all. But it did seem so at first.)
Yeah, buy used for now, but I’d like to stop the practice entirely. Otherwise they can just wait it out as more and more old cars are totaled or unmaintainable.
Have you seen the reports from China about their EVs? If it’s about falling appart, they’re far ahead of anything any western manufacturers could produce lol