Your intention is to rage bait. Otherwise what why comment to announce you’re not going to honestly engage with this

You made a comment on a post to say ‘didn’t read’ and you’re accusing me of baiting

I’m not sure what the purpose of protesting for us means.

Protests carry a significant risk. There are severe financial, medical, legal and career risks. With how things are there is even risk to lives.

What I struggle with understanding is given this risks what is the reward for protesting. If we’re asking others to bare these things, should there not be a due diligence on our part to make sure we did everything we could to ensure these protests are successful.

All protests are not equal. Civil rights protests or Montgomery bus boycotts came with clear measurable goals that protestors knew the risks and rewards. Other protests where shit shows like occupy Wallstreet or many of the Iraq war protests where laws were already locked in and there was no actionable goal.

So what i struggle with here is what do you mean protests are for us because it sounds like you think protests should be more like occupy or the Iraq protests rather than any of the civil rights or bus boycotts.

Facebook is going to make money no matter what. That’s because there are so many people using it. Which is why it’s why everybody but the left use it to raise awareness. I get the moral argument but you still have to be aware of the consequences. Not using Facebook means they spread their message to the average person. If you want any support or success you have to engage and convince that vox populi to support your efforts or your dead in the water before you even started.

You’re arguing decorum after opening by dismissing the post solely because it came from Facebook. You didn’t bother to watch it. That’s not principled discourse that’s selective tone policing

Engage with the content. If you don’t want to engage, then move on. Don’t come here to smugly dismiss it. But writing it off based on platform and then lecturing others about how questions should be phrased. That’s hypocritical.

You don’t get to police comments after you’ve already derailed the conversation.

It was a genuine question. What is inflammatory about it. Some people don’t care some do.

.ml crew are the worst of the left. Enjoy the next decade of canceled elections and authoritarian rule while you try to bang rocks together

Yes it is how that works. It’s exactly how that works. It’s why the right invest everything they have on controlling it. This is basic stuff.

The problem is you here. This is why the left has lost so much ground over the past ten years. You’ve given up every territory, pulled back to the least defensible position and think you’re going to launch some great effort with a playbook that is about as old as an American senator. You’re just not thinking. I dont’ think you understand this isn’t 1967. It’s time to wake the fuck up. Protesting is effective but their ability to diminish those efforts are greater and until you nullify that then you’re just jeopardizing every effort people make going out there to protest.

That is exactly the point I am arguing. Going out to protest will not be as effective if you aren’t able to counter the efforts they will use on digital spaces to smear and spread bullshit like what is shown in this post. It’s jumping critical steps in making a proper defense before going on the offense.

We all need better networks and ways to disseminate information rapidly. For people who are not in the area, we can make sure these accounts that are out right lying are reported. We can make content and bring awareness right on the posts they have paid for and boosted with their own bot network. We leverage what they are using against us.

Wait, so then what is the goal of protests? It’s awareness is it not. What is the point of that awareness?

But not having a facebook account grows their base so much larger leading to another victory come election time. I don’t understand how any person thinks that protesting is effective but not letting their views spread online is not.

You get more bang for your buck every single time with online effort. There’s no way to argue you don’t. Facebook is where all the people are who are going to matter in the fight against MAGA. Because so many leftist feel to good for it they left and now the right has this red carpet access to the eyes and ears of every single person who is needed to turn the tides on MAGA.

Like you all repeat this trendy 3% rule about protests. But why has nobody figured out that 3% rule is actually about digital spaces. That’s why it is important. Being able to overwhelm their content with ours is what will turn tides. If my enemy is investing all their effort and resources into something then I better pay attention. That is online content especially facebook.

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Do you even want to help?

Honest question, are you good just passively watching all this MAGA shit spread?

Facebook is a mess, no question. But if your goal is to counter MAGA narratives, it’s still the best return on effort right now. That’s where the misinformation is spreading fastest, and it’s where more people are needed to consistently challenge lies and keep them from going unopposed.

Every single leftist could have resisted a lot of this using the internet to spread a message.

Use both at the same time. It’s a fun party trick

Good thing about ai is it’s never down. Code much better with it than stackbullshit

What does président Stephen Miller think about that. Trump isn’t the president

‘Don’t reinvent the wheel’

Wait, this is horrible advice. It’s the opposite of what any successful entity does. The wheel here is a problem that the authoritarians have solved long ago. If you’re not reinventing it then you’re cooked before you even go to the store to buy your markers and bullshit cardboard supplies. They have studied the same old civil protests for decades. They have made laws to prevent protestors from being effective. They have decades of behavioral studies and actionable propaganda that they pull out and dust off every time you even think about sharing one of those ‘no kings’ or ‘general strike’ posts. Any protest you can imagine they have solved. If you don’t reinvent the wheel, you’re going to look fucking stupid when you show up with another 700m people and go home having accomplished nothing except get your leadership and organizers arrested.

That wheel needs to be reinvented. Look at the truck convoy. Hate them all you want but they did something brilliant. It was brilliant because at their top they had people who studied and knew police and authoritarian response and they found solutions to break them. After all, they were the authoritarians. They first drove through the streets across America to build awareness and hype. It’s a fucking parade. People came out and cheered on over passes as they rolled through. Others joined. Then they filled cities with so many vehicles and trucks that the police had no idea how to even responsed. How do police safely weave themselves into that formation to make arrests. Then what do they do with the trucks just sitting there? The truckers made it a street party to prevent police from committing violence. They invited families down to enjoy music and hot tubs while also shutting down major parts of cities everywhere neutralizing police ability to do their job.

The left do not have the same effort at the top. It’s lacking. But they need to figure it out super fast because I promise you if you’re just showing up to the streets with the same old shit then you’ve already lost. That wheel needs to be reinvented quick