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Reminder that she was made VP as a reward for helping a dementia riddled corpse ratfuck an actually progressive candidate out of the primary.

How’s that Super Delegate system treating you?

“when American needed people like you, you failed.”

Shove your condescension up your hypocritical ass you self-righteous blowhard. You’ve no idea what I did or didn’t do to try and avert this fucking crisis and if you think for a moment that “people like me” weren’t and aren’t fighting for our goddamn lives and those of our communities you’re so ignorant it’s galling. Fuck you

So let me ask you something then, if it’s every group you’ve mentioned at fault for voting wrong or being insufficiently engaged what in the actual fuck are you hoping to accomplish by assigning blame beyond stoking your own ego?

It sounds to me like the leftist bogeyman you’re so eager to pin all this on didn’t have nearly the impact you claimed elsewhere in the thread, or is this still their fault in an election where the Republicans managed to take the popular vote?

“Leftists stayed home”, so are protest voters the reason Harris lost or is it the fact she was a hypocritical liar with a decades long career propping up the prison industrial complex? She goes on Charlemagne Tha God’s podcast laughing and joking that she never inhaled meanwhile nearly two thousand people were imprisoned on her orders for marijuana related offenses.

“Though she defended marijuana’s use for medicinal purposes as district attorney, her prosecutors in San Francisco convicted more than 1,900 people on cannabis-related offenses.”

I’m not sure how you’re able to type with your head rammed so far up your own ass but if you manage to get some fresh air you should realize that no amount of celebrities at the DNC is going to make up for the liberal establishment’s failures on every single issue that matters. By the way, why the actual fuck didn’t Obama push for codification of Roe? Why the hell did the entire blue team roll over for McConnell and allow the Republicans to stall Merrick Garland’s supreme court nomination? Speaking of Garland why didn’t that spineless coward prosecute Trump when he had the chance? Because they’re complicit, we’re already seeing the presumptive nominee sprint to the right on every single issue that matters to progressives, if our vote actually made a difference the Democrats would actually do something to earn it but we make such a convenient scapegoat when they lose don’t we?

You’re a rube

Speaking as a leftist who swallowed my pride and voted for a fascist genocide supporter because for all her useless platitudes Harris was still a better option and I’m willing to admit that; go fuck yourself.

You want to know why people didn’t get behind Harris? It’s because her boss ran on rolling back the damage Trump 1.0 had done and then continued operating concentration camps on the southern border. It’s because time and time again even the radical Democrats have proven themselves to be feckless, incompetent, hand-wringing cowards who can’t be trusted to do the job they were elected for until it’s time to “compromise with Republicans” by inflating the defense budget and passing tax cuts for the wealthy. Harris would have seen her approval numbers falter and start rounding up brown folks no different from Trump, the difference being she’d have kept her mouth shut about it and so would the media until six weeks before midterms. Her platform was a gun and a nightstick with a BLM sticker tacked onto it, no different from Biden or Obama.

Biden put ZERO pressure on Israel to reign in their genocide in Gaza and Harris would have done no differently source the United States has effectively unlimited leverage in this conflict and they refuse to use it no matter which side is in office. I voted for those lying crooks despite knowing that, but I don’t blame a goddamn person for whom that was a deal breaker, it should be.

You know how Harris would have been different, she’d have been competent. She wouldn’t have tanked the economy with these ridiculous tarrifs, cozied us up to Russia, threatened and alienated our closest allies and trading partners or surged DHS’s budget to unthinkable levels, but the next Republican in office sure would have. The courts are packed, the Dems will always have a defector (just like mean old Joe Manchin), there will always be a convenient excuse why they’re so feckless and ineffectual and all electing Harris would have done is delay the inevitable by another four years. Acting like the US’ slide into authoritarianism which has been ongoing since the Wilson administration is anything new or aberrant to our current era is either wishful thinking or complete brainless ignorance of history. Trump isn’t the problem, Trump voters aren’t even the problem, this is the result of deep rooted contradictions in the very foundation of the Republic bearing their poison fruit.

All is not lost, others are getting organized, demonstrating, protesting, taking action. The only thing that gets us out of this is solidarity and mutual support but by all means, sit on your ass and continue to point fingers at others you’d seek to blame, because they were wrong and that’s all that matters right?

Fucking shitheel

That’s all fair, to your point about the imposition of martial law however I think that’s a critical point to emphasize. If the executive branch can’t find a plausible excuse to start rounding up its enemies they’ll fabricate one.

I think the expectation of a fair election in 2028 or even 2026 is very presumptive. I don’t disagree with your premise that those voters would be critical to a Democratic victory in a fair election, I fear we’re past that point now.

Either way my central concern remains the same, Harris was a mediocre candidate with a terrible strategy. Many less engaged voters didn’t find her or her policies appealing, and among energized and enthusiastic voters on the left side of the aisle many saw swallowing their misgivings and voting for Harris anyway as a form of practical and strategic harm reduction, it was. Others found her support for Israel to be entirely incompatible with their own conscience, which I may not like but I can absolutely understand. That said the continuing and endless bickering every single time Trump does anything remotely harmful “I hope those lefties/protest voters/third party/enlightened liberals/tankies/rad libs/socdems/whomever are happy” as they did at the top of this thread is counterproductive when ICE is about two months away from throwing anyone they want in the back of a van. If you think I’m being hyperbolic there were already off the street kidnappings by DHS during the protests in Portland back in this administration’s first term in office. That was a pilot program, and once they’ve built up their numbers we’ll see a nationwide rollout. I’d advise you and anyone reading this to prepare themselves accordingly.

As for the elections, by all means organize, do voter drives, monitor your state’s rolls to blunt the impact of their disenfranchisement; but don’t focus on blaming a subgroup of people who are otherwise on your side for making a bad call. That election is over, now we have to deal with the consequences. This shit doesn’t get better until we fix it and pointing fingers about a race we already lost does nothing but waste time we don’t have

Also, love me some Zildjans

Certainly in the long term FPTP needs to go, along with the Electoral College, the practice of Gerrymandering, the Democrats ridiculous system of Super Delegates, and the cap on the number of representatives in the House. None of which is to mention the overturn of Citizen’s United, the long overdue process of campaign finance reform, reigning in the power of lobbyists, breaking up the conglomerates that have formed in the wake of the Regan era kneecapping of the FTC and a ban on Congressional trading of stocks and securities. While we quibble about that though the far right have managed to turn their culture war into a full blown Crusade complete with a neo-geshtapo with a larger budget than the militaries of several countries, and before you’ve managed to agree on a root cause for the decay of the institutional protections we used to take for granted a bunch of masked fascists have thrown you in a camp. Heart disease isn’t a huge concern when the same patent is bleeding out from a gunshot wound. The cause of this clusterfuck is bigger than one election, or one bloc of voters, it’s a complex interplay of multiple contradictions and flaws in the foundation of the American State dating back centuries. Yes, it is important to repair the damage, to improve and learn from our failures but that does not matter in the immediate term. The left will not get the chance to reform and repair once a full blown purge of dissidents and thought criminals is being carried out, we’re six months to a year away from camps for Citizens critical of the regime, and two to three years out from outright death camps. We are in deep shit, anyone in the US’ borders or sphere of direct influence is in deep shit. People who voted third party or abstained absolutely fucked up. I can’t stress enough how much that no longer matters as fascist tyrants continue to tighten the noose

Truth be told I don’t know either, I’m just exhausted by seeing commentors online screeching the same tired screeds “if only the other leftists voted for Kamala” “Kamala supports Israel!!!”. Who cares how we got here at this point? If you’re not licking the regime’s boot they’re coming for you eventually. If people are outraged then good, swallow it for now and organize in your communities, get active, coordinate. We’ll have plenty of time for purity tests and factionalism when the dust settles.

What makes someone a real leftist?