Midnight Wolf

Well, when you are approached by someone who doesn’t read nor understand the conversation or arguments brought forth, who then argues with you regarding said topic and situations - in which you have personal experience with - and who reiterates the same argument that is based on flawed data and assumptions, causing you to stay up for several hours as you try and explain the situation and points, while you grow more and more frustrated (see all points ststed above)… and at the conclusion of the conversation, they have added no value nor insight to the original discussion which, again, they didn’t fully understand… you let me know at what stage you’d be a bit frustrated.

Myself, I give people waaayyyyyyy too much credit, leeway, benefit of the doubt. Way too much. And most of the time, yeah, it’s a misunderstanding, they appreciate the kindness, everyone is happy. But others, it’s just malace, trying to harm me, break me.

I can be the nicest guy in the world, and people will still say I’m an asshole because they disagree with something, or they don’t understand what my core statements are, or any other number of reasons. I used to be that way, nice to everyone all the time, even those who used me, exploited me, manipulated me. I stopped being a pushover after I suffered my stroke, effectively losing function of half my body. After that, nah, not anymore. I wasted my whole life up until that point kissing behinds and getting shit in return. I don’t do that anymore.

I don’t care if you dislike me. I don’t care what you think about me in any capacity, frankly. It would all be wrong anyway, so why get worked up over it. But what I’ve learned in the twilight hours of this morning, is that all your aggravation pointed at me, isn’t my fault. And that is so… relaxing. Comforting.

Anyway, I’m finally off to bed now. The sun is rising, and I’m exhausted.

Forum posts and my own experience say that cards from Creative Labs and Asus, which both work correctly under windows, fail to achieve correct output above 2.0 (2.1?). There are almost no other options for pci add-on sound cards, being a niche market for the last 15 years or so.

So, unless you can point me to a card that I can purchase today and that has either a manufacturer-backed statement of compatability, or there are current owners who own that card, this conversation is over. I’ve given you way too much of my time, misunderstanding and misinterpret what is a basic concept and statement, such that you are not acting in good faith. I’d be happy to find a card that fits my quite basic requirements, but everything that I came across myself had reports of issues, or dead-end forum posts where no solution was reached.

So, do you have a card for me or not?

‘I cannot find an add-on sound card that claims compatability with Linux at a reasonable cost’ != ‘everyone with a Linux machine doesn’t have sound’.

Find me a pci sound card that can handle 5.1 channel audio over 3.5mm. I spent a couple hours several weeks ago and came up empty (excluding the aforementioned card for creators).

In my initial comment, I state that my situation isn’t typical, and that I’m outside the bubble of typical hardware and use case. I state why I use two sound cards. I state what is wrong with the drivers, my attempts to resolve it, my search for alternative hardware, and why falling back to a more basic setup in unacceptable.

I’m not ‘making a specific scenario’, this is my main machine I use daily. You are literally proving my point, about the ‘bubble’ of users that use basic hardware and think everything is fine, but those who use things that aren’t common hit snags and issues. And then you want to blame me for using hardware that I’ve used for years? Are you actually kidding me?

…no? I said I searched for sound cards that are made by other companies, like Asus, but they too have similar problems. And then I looked up if there are any manufacturers that claim to support Linux, of which I only found one, and who charged an absurd amount of money since their target market is creators, not consumers.

Like, I’m not sure how you got to that conclusion, but it was wholly on your own.

Mission failed. We’ll get em next time.

Bake 'em away, toys

See my other comment :p

Yeah, lol, I figured it wasn’t a real thing but search turned up this immediately: https://www.getinboxzero.com/

I can - they asked for an example, I provided one. Most users don’t need to use custom input controls, or aren’t running a home theater system. They are in the bubble of ‘typical’, and they don’t think about situations other than their own (why would they?), thus people like myself who don’t fit in the bubble struggle.

Also do note the fact that my sound card issue has been a known issue through forum posts for basically a decade. Like sure, eventually sure, but it’s been a decade now and my current experience matches that of years ago, so…

Also miss me with that fake sympathy. I’ve heard ‘it’s sucks what you’re going through’ or something very close to it, for yeaaaars now, and the inevitable ‘but’ just tells me ‘that was a lie but I wanted to pretend to care’. Every time, always the same thing.

Okay, I was curious what Inbox Zero is, and I went ‘ew’ at the ‘ai’ angle, but then I fucking lost it when I got to the prices. They want $18 a month (per user) on the annual plan, to:

• basically tags your email, which you can set up yourself using folders, and probably near identical through gmail or something
• get ai replies written up for you… which I think gmail also does now
• ‘blocks cold emails’ which is just the spam filter with a fresh coat of paint
• ‘bulk unsubscibed / archive’… you can do that in most modern email clients? I guess not in bulk but how many shitty newsletters and promos do you subscribe to, really?
• and an ‘analysis’ of your email…?

I do everything except the ai replies through cpanel and my email client, for free. Fucking hell, that’s almost 3x what I pay for my web/email hosting. And I don’t have to prepay for a year of service, and I get way more granular control over incoming messages. That service is highway robbery, and they have 15k users?! What the actual fuck. $18 a year, kinda high, but a fucking month…

Rookie numbers

I’m disabled (one usable hand, among other things). I need my mouse software to be able to map buttons to keys on my keyboard (and it must have individual profiles per application, and it must auto switch based on the active window) for me to be able to play shooters and similar.

I have tried many times in the past 20 years to switch, but I always had to come back. I installed bazzite to help a friend transition from w10, and to be able to talk them through any issues they might come across. I used this opportunity to again see how doable it would be, temporary dual booting.

In addition to the mouse, I don’t use my mobos onboard audio, instead using two creative sound blaster cards - one for my surround sound (main output), and the other for voice chat or if I have to be quiet (late night gaming). The drivers for both cards fail - L/R channels work as expected, but RL/RR/FC/Sub are wrong. I tried for two days to fix it, overriding settings, trying different settings in the UI, different overrides, switch cards around to see if they work correctly when outputting to the other hardware… And searching online, this has been a problem for years, maybe a decade+ across many distros. Okay, so, it’s not a ‘fix’ but what if we get new sound cards… Asus has some… Aaaaand survey says they are shit in Linux too. What about looking for some Linux specific hardware? The only company I found had cards for $1k+, and geared more towards audio creation. Hell no, you’d have to be insane.

That’s a hard stop, as I’m not about to give up my audio system because of botched drivers thst are seemingly never getting a fix. But similarly, I have a ThinkPad with a 5G modem in it. I tried a dozen distros before begrudgingly settling on Kubuntu, as it was the only system that would actually work (see the modem, interact with it, fcc unlock after terminal commands, and actually transfer data).

Linux has this bubble of users who are the typical norm - they need the basics, and nothing more. Which is fine, I’m happy for them, but damn does the experience suck shit if you aren’t in that bubble. I remember the days when I’d have to wrap windows wifi drivers to get online, or sleep wouldn’t work, or an update would brick the system (or grub, oh fuck me I’m having ptsd flashbacks), or even stuff like stereo in and out would be broken out of the box. And there often wasn’t a guide to fix this shit, it was just ‘have fun’. It has come a good way, but there is so much that still needs work.

And, as my friend found out, while all his games were native or compatable via proton or lutris, some needed to be built from source… Even though the fucking dev offers executables for windows, and could easily do the same for Debian-based systems, ready to go for those users… But no, here are some half-assed instructions that are out of date, glhf. Ugh…

There’s a ton of other things, but those are recent - like, within the last 3-6 months recent, and are real world examples of why some have to stay chained to windows.

Now if anyone wants to patch the shitty drivers for my sound blasters, I could actually try to maintain and actually use the install. But until then, I’ve got to use what actually works.

Ha ha ha, I’m in danger

A/S/L?

🅱️ossy

I’d counter that point though, and say ‘then you should be/stay on topic’ and not forking the discussion into other topics. It’s certainly not difficult to create a new topic about a related discussion, and if it interests the original posters then yay, they might join in, but either way you aren’t cluttering up the original discussion.

I see forums as more… professional? Whereas layouts like we have here are much more ‘lol memes’. The two types serve two different users.

I spent a good chunk of my teen years on forums and it was definitely a direct, ‘here is A Thing and I want to discuss A Thing’ conversations. Lemmy/reddit comments are like ‘I have this one thought of a kinda-tangible idea for A Thing 2’ and it’s just… It’s not ‘bad’, but it’s most definitely scatterbrain thoughts, just shared for other wandering thoughts to collide. Scribbled brainstorming vs careful planning, I guess? I dunno.

Maybe I’m just old. Blah.

If only we had a system where anyone could report anyone… Maybe have a link that says ‘report’… And we could have it on every topic, and every reply, so it would be easy to do… And after a number of reports by users of sufficient account age and in good standing, the reported comment would be moved to a quarantine so if the admins are unavailable, the forum can operate on autopilot to keep the users safe…

Ah well, nobody would ever implement that wild idea… sigh

impossible

Me, following several forums and the topics within: uh

You win this time, bigger thing!