• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
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    First I have no idea where you are getting that the cyclist was at fault considering that article doesn’t say any such thing. Without any information on the nature of the accident we really can’t attribute fault to any specific person. Your assumption that the cyclist behaved irresponsibly without any reason reveals a prejudiced worldview that I hope you will question.

    However, despite our lack of information we can speculate as to some common ways this could have unfolded.

    It is possible that the cyclist safely merged into traffic but the truck was driving too fast or was inattentive and did not stop in a reasonable distance. In this case the driver would quite clearly be at fault.

    The second possibility is that the cyclist either didn’t look or misjudged the stopping distance of the truck when merging. In this case, fault would typically be assigned to the cyclist, though in my opinion it should be somewhat shared. Driving a large, dangerous vehicle means shouldering more responsibility, and if you are in an area with pedestrians or cyclists you should be watching carefully in case they do something unexpected. If such unexpected behavior seems likely (for example, due to a blocked bike lane) then it may be appropriate to drive more slowly to allow for a safe stopping distance. Failure to do so may not make you the primary cause of an accident but I think it does mean you were not being adequately careful in the context of this life or death responsibility.

    Finally, it should be quite clear that the construction company that blocked the road illegally should be held accountable for creating a dangerous situation. In my area, sometimes they create a new bike lane with temporary cones or barriers when this construction blocks the bike lane. This should be required in all roads that move higher than cyclist speed.

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        “Let’s discuss” followed by “I’m not reading that” is a vibe lmao.

        It absolutely does not say that she cut off a dump truck. Is your hatred of cyclists so advanced that you are willing imaginary statements into existence?

        Sad that you would expend so much effort on maintaining your own ignorance. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised since no one who actually wants to understand the issues here would share your opinions.

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    Sounds like 2 things at fault here. 1. Don’t block the bike lane with a dumpster, and 2. Check tour blind spots when merging with traffic. The latter would’ve been prevented if the construction company wasn’t so careless.

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      Nah. They issue permits for this all the time. The permit, lack thereof, or simple filing error makes absolutely no difference to this womans behaviour

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        I guess it comes down to how well they marked things. Like put a sign further ahead letting people know, cones, etc.

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          I worked construction a long time. The prevailing rule seemed to be no matter how much you tried, it’s always never the pedestrians fault. Hang a sign, put up a barrier…expect some woman to be able to see a big fucking dumpster half a block away…There’s this nanny culture now that if you tie a barrier up with rope, someone cuts the rope and walks through, it’s your fault for not using chain.

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    Sure, let’s discuss.

    She was in the bike lane and a dumpster was blocking it.

    She merged into the lane next to hers to pass the dumpster.

    She got hit by a dump truck and died.

    In which part of this was she an idiot?

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      Mostly the part involving riding in front of a dump truck. (The discussion part I was hoping for was more about why we don’t actually blame the direct cause instead of a fucking dumpster)

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        That isn’t idiotic. In all places without a bike lane except prohibited freeways it is the norm. The truck driver would be faulted for rear ending, and not being vigilant enough to foresee the bicyclist moving into the lane.

        Driving vehicles does not give you any preferential treatment. In fact, pedestrians get right of way and bicycles are treated as vehicles expected to follow all traffic laws. That even means you could get stuck behind a cyclist on a narrow road and be required to follow behind them safely the whole time with zero right to get angry.

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          Changing lanes without due care and attention or when unsafe is a fine and a factor in determining fault for a reason. You know this. It’s the justification for your last paragraph.

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            Changing lanes without due care

            Technically correct, but does not apply. The description given does not state the lane merge was unsafe.

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            If I legally step into the road and a truck strikes and kills me I can be both right and dead. That’s why wrongful death suits are a thing.

            This is a very weak argument. I don’t even own a bike and that’s obvious to me.

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              Who said anything about legally? She changed lanes when unsafe to do so and got hit. Why are people trying to pretend she was just rear ended out of the blue?

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                You don’t know she was hit as a result of changing lanes, it’s equally possible the truck driver, due to their elevated seat, didn’t see the bike and simply ran her over.

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                Don’t put words in my mouth. I addressed the scenario you posed which said nothing of legality or not. Generally a pedestrian has right of way so legal would be the default assumption.

                To the point of your post, I don’t know if she was legal or not. I haven’t read the article but obviously I’ll have to. Did she hand signal? Do we have video of that or are we taking the driver’s word for that? An unsafe lane change would put her at fault.

                Edit: absolutely nothing in the article to indicate she failed to signal.

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        You wanted us to discuss “idiotic women” who are hurting our precious construction workers by dying? Did you want us to placate you? You’re speaking ill of the recently dead, which obviously isn’t a problem to you. I hope someone cares when you go, but from this, I don’t see that happening.

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    Are you in anyway connected to this incident? What hurt you? What is your reasoning about insulting a dead person? What made you so angry that you needed to set up this post?

    Really curious.