“I will no longer be complicit in genocide [in Gaza]. I am about to engage in an extreme act of protest,” the man apparently said before setting himself alight and repeatedly shouting “Free Palestine!”

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  • Resol van Lemmy@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    The new Burning Man.

    Hey Google, remember the very first “doodle” you had on your homepage that had the Burning Man? Please bring it back.

  • Cringe2793@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    While this man is brave and all (I wouldn’t have burnt myself), what does this achieve? I doubt authorities care a lot. And it’s not like visibility over this situation isn’t there.

    • olivebranch@lemmy.ca
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      10 months ago

      I think think it is so that the rest of us have more bravery in our protest against these terrible war crimes and stop them at any cost.

  • daltotron@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Whoever keeps throwing in the shit about law enforcement in these stories, which I think was actually a security officer for the embassy, drawing a gun, is doing a pretty good job of distracting from the main issue of what this guy lit himself on fire and died for. Doing a much better job than all the whinging about how he was mentally ill, and how this won’t change anything, and how there’s no clear cause, that mainstream news outlets are doing when they cover this type of stuff, if they cover it at all.

    I would also like to kind of point out here, that “this won’t change anything, this guy was mentally ill, he killed himself for nothing”, is really only true if you decide it to be true. We get to decide whether or not this motivates us to do something or not. We get to decide whether or not we let this affect us. Whether or not we do something, to make sure this doesn’t happen again, you know? And that’s mostly, in my mind, the purpose of this kind of protest.

    Maybe it makes the institutions think about what they’re doing, probably not, since, if they were gonna think that, they should’ve probably thought that about the 20,000 or so palestinians that have been killed. This protest is mostly engineered to get you mad, and sad, and to make you, the viewer, think about why this is happening, and think about what you can do to stop it. Not just deflecting immediately to whether or not it was effective, because by doing so, you let it not be as effective.

    Brings to mind the discourse against, really any form of protest that I’ve seen. You could take the george floyd protests, for example. So, sure, the government throws in agent provocateurs, in order to turn what would otherwise be peaceful protests, which would shut down any traffic into and out of the city, and would choke off any economic activity (puts pressure on businesses, utilities, puts pressure on local government, which needs to please these people who don’t really care about the protest but want things to go back to normal).

    But by doing so, right, by causing those passive forms of damage, but also by causing active forms of damage, say, burning a big box store down, right, the public showcases that, if a certain legal decision to, say, let derek chauvin off, occurs, then there will be potentially more protests and more destruction, which provides great incentive against that decision occurring.

    Now, in this case, there’s not as clear of a process, because there’s not as clear of repercussions if they decide to do nothing. About the only thing that might happen is that this might happen again, which, might, by some process of media coverage, put enough pressure on politicians to cause this to stop, if it becomes a political issue. The same thing is happening with mass shootings, which aren’t a greatly impacting issue, by the numbers, right, they’re much less than that of road deaths, heart disease, other forms of gun violence.

    But they are so horrifying to the american public and to really anyone of moral conscience, that they should serve as a clear marker that something is wrong, and something needs to change. Serial killers create a similar effect. It’s almost like a kind of terrorism, using that word without judgement, here. That’s the power of these protests. We’ve already seen it spread across a bunch of news media, even though it’s being reported about as poorly as you’d expect.

    I’m not particularly sure that repeat incidents would do any good, and I think I’d generally be opposed to that, as should anyone, but, an instance of self-immolation is what caused the arab spring. This sort of thing isn’t ineffective, I think it does a disservice to aaron bushnell to say otherwise.

    If you want to stop this sort of thing from occurring in the first place, you should really try to understand why it was happening, instead of brushing it aside.

    • Tinidril@midwest.social
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      10 months ago

      Hamas and Israel are two sides of the same coin. Hamas knew exactly what the demented Israeli government would do, and they knew it would bring sympathy to their cause. Israel walked into the trap because they are also consumed with ethnic hatred. There is plenty of evidence that Israel even supported Hamas just to get them an excuse for a genocide.

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          10 months ago

          Unfortunately, it’s not just the government. There are mobs preventing aid from getting in, and almost half the country supports what’s happening in Gaza.

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            10 months ago

            True. And it’s also true that some Palestinians are allied with the Hamas terrorists. Also unfortunate. The victims are Israeli and Palestinian civilians.

      • Grant_M@lemmy.ca
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        10 months ago

        I’m free. That’s why I am able to see that Hamas are terrorists.

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          10 months ago

          claims to be a free thinker

          Parrots the most common opinion in western society

          claims others are brainwashed instead

          Interesting

          • Marin_Rider@aussie.zone
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            10 months ago

            Hamas is not Palestine as Israel is not all Jews.

            Hamas is a cancer that must go for peace to have a chance

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                10 months ago

                because saying it like that is not saying the current Israel government must go, you are implying the state of Israel must go.

                that’s genocide

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                  10 months ago

                  That’s definitely not what genocide means. Destroying the Israeli group is genocide. Destroying the Israeli state is not.

            • Flinch@lemmy.ml
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              10 months ago

              The only people fighting to defend Palestinians from their imminent ethnic cleansing are a “cancer”, but the same is not said for the occupying nation committing the cleansing.

              Interesting!

    • olivebranch@lemmy.ca
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      10 months ago

      I hope it changes what we do. If he is this brave, we can be a little braver in organizing a movement to stop our governments from supporting Israel, at any cost.

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    10 months ago

    having viewed the video now, i initially found myself surprised i was not more horrified. my best guess as to why is this - what seemed most notable to me was his apparent sanity and intentionality in making this choice. he chose the where and when of his death and intended it to matter.

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      10 months ago

      I couldn’t believe how long he stayed on his feet after he could no longer scream. Rest in Power Aaron.

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      10 months ago

      He stopped feeling pain because shock set in about 30 seconds into it, I could get more graphic but that’s about how long it took for his eyes to get to fucked up to close them.

    • Nix@merv.news
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      10 months ago

      He specifically livestreamed the video and sent links to the livestream and archive to various journalists and anarchist press so that the video would be shared and viewed. Its a disservice for it to be censored and weird that person also watermarked it with their @

      Uncensored version: (GRAPHIC VIDEO WARNING) https://x.com/v4p4l/status/1761995206465888567?s=46&t=xtlq_1V7eXJ31HI_SLdE9g It will likely be removed soon so download while you can if you think it deserves to be archived.

      • ɔiƚoxɘup@infosec.pub
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        10 months ago

        Because it is censored, more people will see it and more people will get the message so I disagree with you but I see your point.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          10 months ago

          literally the entire point behind this act is it being explicitly graphic, sharing the uncensored version quite literally goes against that. It’s almost as bad as censoring the message from the get go, except now we’re actively disrespecting his intention.

          • AbsentBird@lemm.ee
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            10 months ago

            I think the graphic nature can be shared while also censoring the gore. It’s not like it changes the events in any way.

    • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
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      10 months ago

      Fucking Christ my hearts beating so fast. Goddamn i didn’t want to see that but i watched it cus i thought i owed it to him… Goddamnit.

      And also shout out to the “hero” pointing his gun at his smouldering corpse as if it will lunge at him any moment.

      Goddamnit

      • NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
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        10 months ago

        That was fucking something. I’m like you I watch it because we owe it to him.

        He kept screaming free Palestine over and over, past the point where his lungs had to be toast, and stayed standing so long.

        • GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml
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          10 months ago

          When people perform stunts (stuntmen running around engulfed in flames for movies) the most critical part, aside from extinguishing the flames as soon as is necessary, is making sure those people have oxygen. The fire will consume the oxygen that you would otherwise breathe in.

          • NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social
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            10 months ago

            Yeah, but when you inhale super heated air, it scorches all of your alveoli?, the little fucking airbags in your lungs, and I would just figure that you would pass out very quickly from that lack of oxygen and the fact that you’re working all of your insides.

            I know that speech works from the diaphragm and all that but fuck men vocal cords.

            When I did my cryo training, they made very clear that you had about two steps into an oxygen free room, and you were done.

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        10 months ago

        At least one of them went “I don’t need guns, I need fire extinguishers!”

      • GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml
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        10 months ago

        I read about this and saw the censored version last night. I nearly threw up seeing the uncensored version now. I feel similar to you.

        And to all the shitheads on twitter downplaying this as “glorifying mental illness,” fuck the lot of them.

    • penquin@lemm.ee
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      10 months ago

      The comments on the video are actually more horrifying than the video itself. How can a human watch another human suffer like this and be happy/laugh about it? They’re wishing that others would do the same just because they think differently from them? Do we even have any hope left in humanity anymore?

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      10 months ago

      That comments section is such a dumpster fire of what I hope are bots and not actual human beings… Because damn, otherwise, Giant Meteor 2024

      • xapr [he/him]@lemmy.sdf.org
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        Ugh, I hadn’t even noticed the comments until you mentioned it. I avoid the comments sections on most “news” sites because they’re almost universally dumpster fires if they’re not properly moderated.

        Edit: although Giant Meteor 2024 definitely sounds like a winning ticket.

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          I too support the initiatives of Giant Meteor, Comet and Asteroid LLC, and wish them a strikingly good year.

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    10 months ago

    This is the 2nd one. The only reason we’re even hearing about this is because he had to foresight to live stream it and also an independent journalist was there with a camera

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    10 months ago

    The pigs shouting “ON THE GROUND” to a person who is actively burning to death have got to be the finest example of cop brain. Everything’s a threat.

    I kind of wish this troop would have done something like sabotage or leaked Intel like Chelsea Manning, but I’m also not gonna deny the bravery involved. Free Palestine. Death to America.