• lankybiker@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    It’s an article about environmental impact

    "The impacts of vegans were a quarter of those of high meat eaters for greenhouse gas emissions, and land use, just 27% of the impacts for water pollution, 46% for water use and 34% for biodiversity. "

    But let’s be honest, you probably dont care, no one seems to care. People who do care are unusual and caring and taking action is unusual and might even earn you derision.

    Personally I’m still trying to figure out whether there’s any point in trying to change anyone’s mind. I have a feeling it’s a hopeless waste of energy, which is terrible. If the people do do care lose all will to try to encourage others to see what seems obvious then nothing will get better, it will probably get worse.

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      2 years ago

      I don’t think convincing average people to go 100% full vegan is a good strategy. What I would focus on is convincing people to eat less meat, eggs, dairy, etc. It can be a gradual process to even further reduction, or even just a permanent flat reduction is still an improvement.

      Convincing two people to reduce their animal consumption by 50% is as good as convincing one person to go full vegan.

      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        i think ed winters has changed his focus from moralizing and guilt-tripping and is now actively trying to make vegan foods more available/accessible. so i don’t even think you need to talk about meat at all: just offer people food that happens to be vegan. and i don’t mean trick them into eating a soyburger: just make food that is naturally vegan and tastey and then that’s the meal someone has eaten instead of a meaty one.

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          2 years ago

          To add to this, a good dish that’s inherently vegan is always going to be better than a meat-based dish with the meat replaced.

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      I think a solution is going to be less about changing minds, and more about changing incentives.

      Meat-free food should be cheaper and easier. Walking into a supermarket or convenience store, one should be greeted with affordable, tasty, plant-based meals. The more affordable and accessible we make plant-based meals, the more people are going to eat them. And showing people that they can taste just as good as meat-based meals, will mean people won’t immediately steer clear of them.

      • Custoslibera@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        It’d also be great if they were nutritionally equivalent.

        Plant based meats aren’t equivalent to animal meat on that front.

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          Plant-based diets are usually superior, health-wise, to meat-based diets.

          There are a couple of nutrients that vegan diets at one point may have fell short in, like B12 and D being common examples, but at this point those are present in fortified vegan milks or breads.

          The only other ones I can think of off the top of my head are a fatty acid present in fish, that is easily supplemented. Or less essential nutrients like taurine, which are also easily supplemented if one finds that they really need higher levels.

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            It can be difficult to get enough protein with vegan options for people who aren’t knowledgeable about the options.

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              Not really. Protein is not something particularly difficult in a reasonably balanced vegan diet, for most people. There are plenty of dietary sources of protein in vegan cooking.

              Anybody requiring particularly high levels of protein is probably already supplementing it. Usually with vegan sources anyway.

              Of all the possible deficiencies in a vegan diet, protein is by far the least of people’s, already small, worries.

  • Jordan Lund@lemmy.one
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    I don’t give two shits about enviornmental measures, how is it by dietary measures?

    Oh, right:

    https://www.saintlukeskc.org/about/news/research-shows-vegan-diet-leads-nutritional-deficiencies-health-problems-plant-forward

    "avoiding all animal foods may lead to nutritional deficiencies in vitamin B12, omega-3, calcium, zinc, iron, magnesium, and high-quality protein.

    These deficiencies may be associated with increased risk for certain types of cancer, stroke, bone fractures, preterm birth, and failure to thrive. Avoiding consumption of animal-sourced food may also be related to higher rates of depression and anxiety. Hair loss, weak bones, muscle wasting, skin rashes, hypothyroidism, and anemia are other issues that have been observed in those strictly following a vegan diet."

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      • B12 is fed to animals. This is where the b12 comes from. Meat eaters are having their food supplemented also.

      • There are many plant foods rich in omega 3 fatty acids with good omega ratios. Such as flax, hemp seeds, and chia.

      • Minerals are common in plant foods, very common. For example, kidney beans and leafy greens.

      • The idea of vegans diets being deficient in protein is laughable and intentionally misleading. For example, beans on toast is a complete protein source.

      These articles are either aimed at college students, greatly misinformed, or shills for animal agriculture.–