• sith@lemmy.zipOP
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    2 days ago

    Also, EU probably needs it’s own stash of strategic nuclear weapons ASAP.

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      France has nuclear weapons. And since Greenland and Canada are covered by NATO, they are also covered by the UK’s arsenal.

      Other NATO countries also have nukes provided by the US, but I don’t know how usable they would be in this situation.

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        I have to say… On all predictions about how the World War 3 would start, I imagine absolutely nobody guessed “NATO against the USA”.

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        The Nato weapons are basically US weapons. And the future of Nato is quite uncertain. Also, AFAIK the UK weapons force is fully dependent on the US. France is the only western country (except the US) which has a completely independent nuclear force.

        I really don’t understand the tactics of Trump here, since this behavior is guaranteed to push EU towards China. If common liberal values and culture are nil and there is global anarchy, China will be a natural EU ally, if one consider only the geography. China + EU vs Russia. And Russia will probably be an ally of the US. (I’ve played way too many strategy games.)

        Maybe he just sees that EU is really weak now, and he’s probing the landscape.

        Anyway, it’s interesting to see that the new US administration already performs hybrid war against the EU.

    • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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      It has it, the French decided to share theirs a while ago.

      FWIW official policy is that if US soldiers attack Greenland / Denmark, Washington goes to play Fallout.

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        France’s nuclear doctrine actually first includes a “nuclear warning shot”, which is fucking insane but makes some semblance of sense as in “we know what MAD is and we can play that game, but you should really reconsider”

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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          To their merit, France starts remarkably few wars while hiding under their nuclear umbrella. And I know they still do fucked up shit, especially on their colonies but at least they are not invading Catalonia or Sardinia.

          • marcos@lemmy.world
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            There are only a handful of countries around the world with that habit of starting international wars.

            (Civil wars are a different matter.)

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              19 hours ago

              You have been banned from ml - stating that anyone other than the US starts wars is McCarthyist propaganda.