In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

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    Although not voting was the wrong move, It’s important to hold the democrats accountable imo. They essentially lost the election because they considered genocide more important then their consituents.

    The fact is that Gazas fate would have been the same under both party. The way forward is to demand change from the democratic party to avoid such scenarios. Blaming voters implies it wasnt the democrats at fault in the first place for pushing apathy and genocide as their main platform. Even worse, it implies genocide somehow shouldnt be a voting issue.

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      The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.

      Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.

      It’s our fault and fuck y’all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.

      Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.

      If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.

      Over it.

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        There’s absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.

        Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.

        When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.

        Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That’s the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of “not being Trump”.

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          Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.

          I will blame people for a moral failing all I want. Y’all decided to latch on to ONE issue and didn’t give a shit who was harmed because of it, because suddenly, after over half a century of genocide, NOW you gave a shit

          You did what the algorithm wanted you to do, and you don’t care who got hurt or is currently in El Salvador, because hey, at least your shit don’t stink

          My trans son says “fuck you”.

          You are a wannabe. You don’t give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you’d do everything you could to save lives.

          But instead you decided it was morally superior to let Trump in.

          You’re all bastards who have put my loved ones in danger.

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            Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.

            No. She said her policies didn’t differ from biden’s. biden did nothing to pressure netanyahu to stop the genocide.

            I will blame people for a moral failing all I want.

            Opposing genocide isn’t a moral failure. Supporting it is. You should stop but you won’t.

            You don’t give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you’d do everything you could to save lives.

            You do give a shit about genocide. You support it so hard that you equate genocide support with support for your trans son.

            Did you see any democrat respond to the constant barrage of hate ads against trans people by actively standing up for trans people? Because I saw them avoiding the issue like the cowards they are and letting republicans move the Overton window to somewhere they were more comfortable with, or running anti-trans hate in their own ads as a preview of where the Fascist Appeasement Party desperately wants to be.

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        You’re rewriting history. People stayed home because they refused to vote for genocide, and that’s what Democrats offered unapologetically. You don’t get to blame the voter for not choosing between genocide or genocide plus, you’re not morally superior for voting for Harris.

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          Side note: while the Gaza genocide was absolutely a factor for many people, I really don’t think most of the voting base used that as the basis for their vote (or for staying home). Americans by and large have become wildly selfish and egocentric, as a society (and I say that as an American who does their best to be an outlier in that regard). I really do think that the biggest determinant of a person staying home was fatigue at the status quo, and a couple of years of 10% inflation alongside the fact that everyone in the DNC was trumpeting about how great the economy was doing, while a VERY large percentage of the populace had lived through at least two “once in a lifetime” economic crises, and the playing field continues to get visibly worse as time goes on.

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          Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.

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            Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.

            They already realize it and don’t care.

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          Yes I do. And yes I am.

          You said “I don’t care what the trolley does because this test isn’t moral”

          The rest of us actually made a choice.

          Get fucked. You helped put my trans son in danger and I don’t fuck with ANY of you fucks cosplaying as revolutionaries.

          You’re children.

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            You helped put my trans son in danger

            Members of the party you support ran anti-trans hate in their own ads. The presumptive frontrunner for their 2028 nominee threw trans people under the bus to appease the fascist guest he had on his podcast.

            centrist democrats are as committed to trans rights as they are to any issue (save one). Which is to say, they will abandon it at the first sign of a disapproving look from a fascist. centrist democrats have solidarity with exactly one man on this earth, and his name is netanyahu.