Got no problems with vegans as long as they aren’t getting self righteous and treating non-vegans as sub human. For instance, That Vegan Teacher is a massive piece of shit who actively harms vegans with her actions.
I have no idea what vegan teacher youre talking about, and in my experience non-vegs feel bad just by hearing that I do actively go out of my way to not hurt innocent sentient beings.
But yes, of course you’ll feel like you’re doing the right thing, when you actually stop doing the wrong thing. Nothing wrong with that.
Also, the only reason the militant vegans make people so angry is, that deep down they know it’s true.
Change my mind.
Its more because they argue like religious people than someone genuinely trying to convince me. I genuinely do kinda agree that if you want to be as moral as possible you should be vegan. But to be entirely honest I just don’t care about animal suffering that much when there are so many issues that affect people and my morality is basically completely human centric.
And inventing what is effectively used as a slur against omnivores really does diminish the idea that they are simply “doing the right thing”. I am not saying that the term carnist is a slur for clarification just that in some vegan communities it is used in the same way that one would be used.
I think when you’re calling vegans “religious” it’s you using that as a slur, despite acknowledging that it’s objectively true, which you probably wouldn’t say about religions?
And I agree that there are many more problems, but it’s easy to tackle more than one problem at a time, and considering that meat production is responsible for around 15-20% of all carbon emissions, and is a waste of calories (you feed the plants to the animals to get 1/10th at most back), it’s an easy way to also try to help out humans by combatting climate change and world hunger.
I’d also add that the term “carnist” is just a factual description. It’s like calling a female presenting person woman.
I didn’t called vegans religious I said they argued like religious people. Thank you for making that point for me actually.
Its easy to focus on more than one thing but it is impossible to care about everything at once, last time I tried to do that I simply stopped caring about anything for 4 years.
Where’s the stat for 15-20% for animal emissions? I’m seeing ≈10% for all agricultural and about ≈60% of that from animals.
I don’t really get the waste of calories as a point against eating meat? I don’t think that we have to be perfectly efficient with all of the things that we use and on top of that the problems with hunger that we experience are unrelated to the total amount of calories we have available and rather the distribution of them.
Yes vegans only use it descriptively and it is never used in a way to imply in short hand that they are bad people. Never. I watched the vegan sub on reddit for over a year so you might want to try that on someone who hasn’t seen the way that some vegans talk about people who eat/use animal products. Some people use veganism as a weapon against other people to feel superior I’m not saying it’s you but its a thing that you should be aware actually does exist in your camp like I’m aware that there are people that seem to think eating meat makes them a big strong manly man.
Im not interested in trying to change your mind. And not everyone has the resources, time, energy, or interest in becoming vegan. And no, people aren’t angry with militant vegans because they are right. Its because militant vegans are worse than jehovah’s witnesses when it comes to pushing their ideology on others and refusing to acknowledge their own privileges in being able to be vegan and make no effort to learn about anyone else. And that’s all I’ll say on it so if you want to argue do it with someone else.
What I read is that you believe being vegan is being privileged (which to an extend is true, because usually it’s the more educated population that also tends to be vegan).
But the reality is that vegan food is cheaper for the same nutrients. And that despite meat and milk being havily subsidized.
Vegan food is not available everywhere. It also provides less flexibility, more effort involved in setting up your diet. If education were such a big factor, i would think vegans would have more self awareness in how they try to provide information and talk to others. Also, just because vegan food is inexpensive where someone is doesnt mean it is everyone. Most important is availability. There are a lot of people who don’t have access to it. I’ll tell you right now someone getting in my face being all aggressive is going to make me ignore them, doesn’t matter their message.
Ok, so so you’re saying me that somewhere 200g of meat is cheaper than 200g of tofu? Because an average meal is pretty much vegan except for the protein, if you cook with oil instead of butter (which is also cheaper).
But yeah, no matter what I say, you’ll claim it’s wrong, mainly because you’re not really interested in anything but spreading your words. Which is fine, have a nice day.
No he’s saying there are places that can’t get 200g of tofu. So it would need to be imported which would make it cost more than 200g of meat. Also, often times, those places that don’t have 200g of tofu, the people living there grow and eat their own livestock. I personally know of Mexican villages that don’t have a grocery store within 150 miles. So like you’ve already been told once in the thread, check your privilege. I’m happy that you’re happy about your dietary choices. I’m also especially happy for you that you have the opportunity to make those dietary choices. Not everyone can.
Got no problems with vegans as long as they aren’t getting self righteous and treating non-vegans as sub human. For instance, That Vegan Teacher is a massive piece of shit who actively harms vegans with her actions.
I have no idea what vegan teacher youre talking about, and in my experience non-vegs feel bad just by hearing that I do actively go out of my way to not hurt innocent sentient beings.
But yes, of course you’ll feel like you’re doing the right thing, when you actually stop doing the wrong thing. Nothing wrong with that.
Also, the only reason the militant vegans make people so angry is, that deep down they know it’s true. Change my mind.
Its more because they argue like religious people than someone genuinely trying to convince me. I genuinely do kinda agree that if you want to be as moral as possible you should be vegan. But to be entirely honest I just don’t care about animal suffering that much when there are so many issues that affect people and my morality is basically completely human centric.
And inventing what is effectively used as a slur against omnivores really does diminish the idea that they are simply “doing the right thing”. I am not saying that the term carnist is a slur for clarification just that in some vegan communities it is used in the same way that one would be used.
I think when you’re calling vegans “religious” it’s you using that as a slur, despite acknowledging that it’s objectively true, which you probably wouldn’t say about religions?
And I agree that there are many more problems, but it’s easy to tackle more than one problem at a time, and considering that meat production is responsible for around 15-20% of all carbon emissions, and is a waste of calories (you feed the plants to the animals to get 1/10th at most back), it’s an easy way to also try to help out humans by combatting climate change and world hunger.
I’d also add that the term “carnist” is just a factual description. It’s like calling a female presenting person woman.
I didn’t called vegans religious I said they argued like religious people. Thank you for making that point for me actually.
Its easy to focus on more than one thing but it is impossible to care about everything at once, last time I tried to do that I simply stopped caring about anything for 4 years.
Where’s the stat for 15-20% for animal emissions? I’m seeing ≈10% for all agricultural and about ≈60% of that from animals.
I don’t really get the waste of calories as a point against eating meat? I don’t think that we have to be perfectly efficient with all of the things that we use and on top of that the problems with hunger that we experience are unrelated to the total amount of calories we have available and rather the distribution of them.
Yes vegans only use it descriptively and it is never used in a way to imply in short hand that they are bad people. Never. I watched the vegan sub on reddit for over a year so you might want to try that on someone who hasn’t seen the way that some vegans talk about people who eat/use animal products. Some people use veganism as a weapon against other people to feel superior I’m not saying it’s you but its a thing that you should be aware actually does exist in your camp like I’m aware that there are people that seem to think eating meat makes them a big strong manly man.
Im not interested in trying to change your mind. And not everyone has the resources, time, energy, or interest in becoming vegan. And no, people aren’t angry with militant vegans because they are right. Its because militant vegans are worse than jehovah’s witnesses when it comes to pushing their ideology on others and refusing to acknowledge their own privileges in being able to be vegan and make no effort to learn about anyone else. And that’s all I’ll say on it so if you want to argue do it with someone else.
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What I read is that you believe being vegan is being privileged (which to an extend is true, because usually it’s the more educated population that also tends to be vegan).
But the reality is that vegan food is cheaper for the same nutrients. And that despite meat and milk being havily subsidized.
Vegan food is not available everywhere. It also provides less flexibility, more effort involved in setting up your diet. If education were such a big factor, i would think vegans would have more self awareness in how they try to provide information and talk to others. Also, just because vegan food is inexpensive where someone is doesnt mean it is everyone. Most important is availability. There are a lot of people who don’t have access to it. I’ll tell you right now someone getting in my face being all aggressive is going to make me ignore them, doesn’t matter their message.
Ok, so so you’re saying me that somewhere 200g of meat is cheaper than 200g of tofu? Because an average meal is pretty much vegan except for the protein, if you cook with oil instead of butter (which is also cheaper).
But yeah, no matter what I say, you’ll claim it’s wrong, mainly because you’re not really interested in anything but spreading your words. Which is fine, have a nice day.
No he’s saying there are places that can’t get 200g of tofu. So it would need to be imported which would make it cost more than 200g of meat. Also, often times, those places that don’t have 200g of tofu, the people living there grow and eat their own livestock. I personally know of Mexican villages that don’t have a grocery store within 150 miles. So like you’ve already been told once in the thread, check your privilege. I’m happy that you’re happy about your dietary choices. I’m also especially happy for you that you have the opportunity to make those dietary choices. Not everyone can.