Sounds like it’s time for France, Germany, Norway, South Korea, UK, Australia, Canada, and anyone else who wants in to join forces and build our own modern nuclear sub class. We are not helpless subsistence farmers, we are some of the largest economies in the world, I will not be gaslit into believing we are not capable of matching or exceeding, if not US technology itself, then at least the level of technology that the US would be willing to sell to us. Where there is a collective will, there is a way. We must put as much collective effort into this as we put into the industrial revolution itself, or WW2’s economic transformations. If we did it in a matter of years under fire from Germany’s bombs and guns and U-boats we can do it under fire from Trump’s tariffs. Let’s get to work.
The cost to design one is insanely expensive, the advantage of the U.S. designs is they have a very long operating history with a bunch of subs so all those lessons learned from 70 years of operation are factored into the designs and the U.S. buys a bunch at once which lowers the cost per unit and makes keeping maintenance facilities available for the subs much cheaper as well.
The U.S. has 66 active nuclear subs, the UK has 10 and France 9 so again while it’s possible to do it would be very expensive
Yes, yes, no problem ve vill bild ze vepons, yes yes
/s nah seriously, we got this. just need to actually get to work on it, and forcefully reject the foreign opinion influence working against this scenario (sowing discord, doubt and fear)
All well and good, but submarine reactors are extremely tricksy, and having the experience in designing and building them is a massive advantage. It’s a whole other order than any WW2 technology. See the issues France has had.
At least the fully employed us scientists, full of national pride, won’t jump ship and help them, out of fear of their totally not crumbling state coming after then.
It sounds like you’re talking about the experience that France has in designing and building them being a massive advantage, which I agree with, which is why they’re going to be an important part of the group. The hardest things to do are the things that are the most worth doing. Laziness and efficiency are the same thing, and our relentless pursuit of efficiency in every possible thing has made us unfathomably lazy. It’s time to invest in some thoughtful inefficiency. The fact that these things are difficult is how you learn important albeit maybe expensive lessons and become an expert and a leader. To paraphrase JFK, we have to do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Only a fool would think learning is a waste of time.
Sounds like it’s time for France, Germany, Norway, South Korea, UK, Australia, Canada, and anyone else who wants in to join forces and build our own modern nuclear sub class. We are not helpless subsistence farmers, we are some of the largest economies in the world, I will not be gaslit into believing we are not capable of matching or exceeding, if not US technology itself, then at least the level of technology that the US would be willing to sell to us. Where there is a collective will, there is a way. We must put as much collective effort into this as we put into the industrial revolution itself, or WW2’s economic transformations. If we did it in a matter of years under fire from Germany’s bombs and guns and U-boats we can do it under fire from Trump’s tariffs. Let’s get to work.
The cost to design one is insanely expensive, the advantage of the U.S. designs is they have a very long operating history with a bunch of subs so all those lessons learned from 70 years of operation are factored into the designs and the U.S. buys a bunch at once which lowers the cost per unit and makes keeping maintenance facilities available for the subs much cheaper as well.
The U.S. has 66 active nuclear subs, the UK has 10 and France 9 so again while it’s possible to do it would be very expensive
Yes, yes, no problem ve vill bild ze vepons, yes yes
/s nah seriously, we got this. just need to actually get to work on it, and forcefully reject the foreign opinion influence working against this scenario (sowing discord, doubt and fear)
All well and good, but submarine reactors are extremely tricksy, and having the experience in designing and building them is a massive advantage. It’s a whole other order than any WW2 technology. See the issues France has had.
At least the fully employed us scientists, full of national pride, won’t jump ship and help them, out of fear of their totally not crumbling state coming after then.
It sounds like you’re talking about the experience that France has in designing and building them being a massive advantage, which I agree with, which is why they’re going to be an important part of the group. The hardest things to do are the things that are the most worth doing. Laziness and efficiency are the same thing, and our relentless pursuit of efficiency in every possible thing has made us unfathomably lazy. It’s time to invest in some thoughtful inefficiency. The fact that these things are difficult is how you learn important albeit maybe expensive lessons and become an expert and a leader. To paraphrase JFK, we have to do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Only a fool would think learning is a waste of time.