Pinning this as it’s HUGE.
Live updates here:
https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-attack
CNN is reporting a 2nd wave of attacks is ongoing right now.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-12-25-hnk-intl
Yeah this isn’t a small strike. They went after the leaders of Iran and their nuclear sites all at once.
Looks like they got the head of the Revolutionary Guard too.
To be clear, FUCK Israel-
but if you’re going to do this, this is the way to do it. War is hell, and the objective should be to do whatever is necessary to bring your opponent to the table for surrender or negotiation as quickly as possible and avoid a prolonged engagement. In any other era we wouldn’t even be discussing this.
Again, though, for those in the back- fuck Israel.
That type of flawed logic is exactly what led to atomic bombs being used to kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, and is Israel’s supposed justification for their barbaric campaign against Palestinians.
Well without that nuke us South Koreans would still be one of many Japanese colony so I’m very much all for it.
The Soviets were about to invade the Japanese empire when the US dropped the atomic bombs. They did this just to prevent Japan from falling in USSR’s sphere of influence.
However, you might still be thankful as South Korea likely wouldn’t exist otherwise, being instead merely the agrarian South of a juche unified Korea.
No you would not be, USA had the resources to commit to a landing in japan and have less casualties over all
You’re not immune to propaganda, do not believe that nukes were ever necessary
What led to the rather tragic decision was the fact that the Japanese did not consider surrendering. Japanese high-ups used their elite pilots like one-off missiles rather than to surrender, and hoped that 100 million Japanese people would ‘shatter like a jewel’(一億玉砕), rather than, you know, be alive.
Landing option the US had, Operation Downfall, also included bombing the coastal defense with nuclear bombs and literally obliterating Japan as a whole, so I’m not sure if that would have caused fewer casualties, not to mention it would have been a painstakingly long fight, ultimately leading to more painful exploitation for the victims like Korea and Southeast Asia. Even after the first bomb was dropped, they did not consider surrendering.
I am not saying that the bomb was the only way the war could have ended(although that was something I implied jokingly), and I’m not ignoring the fact that countless civilians died from it. But I don’t think any other options would have had fewer casualties, especially from the viewpoint of one of their many colonies that was brutally exploited and suffered.
Flawed?
Do you not think that deciding to commit a war crime by intentionally targeting and murdering over 200,000 civilians, was perhaps a bad call?
Or perhaps intentionally targeting journalists, doctors, first responders, schools, hospitals, entire apartment buildings, is actually acceptable because the conflict will supposedly end sooner?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not a bad call.
As for your second point- in this situation is it acceptable or justified? Fuck no. Is it tactically the correct move, given what these pieces of shit are trying to accomplish? Yes.
Iran was barely doing anything the last few years? the sudden attack seems likes its distraction from all those protests.
Lots of news recently about Iran enriching their uranium. It’s not a big surprise.
They were manufacturing consent
Don’t they always
Oh, it absolutely is. I’m not saying the attack is by any means justified.
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You know when you make a statement, then say “but” it negates the statement, yeah?
“I’m for euthanasia but I think we need to introduce it in a way that doesn’t reduce access to healthcare”
What part was negated?
OK, it works in this example, but…
Wait, shit.
“The clock is broken, but it’s currently right.”
Something can be wrong 99% of the time. Pointing out the 1% doesn’t make the other 99% good, or that 1% wrong as well.
You talk just like a zionist under cover
Not everyone who hates Iran is a zionist
You can hate iran. You can’t justify the terrorist state of israel starting a war with iran wherr ton of civilians are dying though
I would take enormous offense if this comment wasn’t dumb as hell
Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon calls on Security Council to stand by his country. “This is a moment to make moral decisions. Stand by Israel - or you will be partners in a dangerous silence", He said.
That’s a threat not a warning
The moral decision is blindingly obvious and it’s not to threaten nuclear war to defend your rabid pit bull of an ally from retaliation, motherfucker.
The “dangerous silence” part rings alarmingly true, but not for the reasons protected.
Israel is threatening nuclear Holocaust for the entire world if you do not support their genocidal warmongering. Which will likely end in nuclear genocide. That’s what I’m seeing here. Fucking great. Awesome. Love that for us.
This is all part of the very real Evangelical/Zionist rapture prophecy. Israel and all our western leaders are literally trying to bring about the apocalypse, they want it with religious furvor, so yes a nuclear genocide is to be expected from these people.
Yeah but it just seems so batshit insane to me that it’s hard to fully fathom.
Bullshit! Who in the hell supplied the satellite intelligence and targeting data. You MAGA fucks better do your “patriotic” duty, sign up for 11 Bravo (Grunt Infanttry) and gear up to invade Iran.
If the USA government says it’s not involved, that means it’s involved, right? Every lie from them is a truth these days.
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Did Israel use American produced F-35s?
No US involvement
Beyond the billions upon billions in weapons and sales that we’ve sent them, and keep sending them, of course
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Israel’s war with fucking everyone around it, is like the bullshit wars South Africa fought with all its neighbours.
This Apartheid regime, like that Apartheid regime needs to end. It needs to be crushed and reformed.
When Barghouti is the president of the post-Apartheid State of Israel and Palestine, we can start having peace. You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one etc etc etc.
Fascism is a death cult.
Fascism is a death cult.
I wonder how those red heiffers are doing.
Plump and ripe for the slaughter.
Also, does anyone actually believe this shit, re: the US lmao. They’re using our arms.
Trump is already attempting to use this attack as leverage to force the Iranians into accepting his nuclear deal.
Trump warns Iran to agree to nuclear deal before “even more brutal” attack
Trump is slimy and always willing to kick someone when they’re down, but he’s not that quick on the uptake. Strategy coordination, minimally.
I thought the vote happened before the strike?
edit: Yeah, I definitely think it happened before the strike. It wasn’t off by 2 votes either.
61-53. That’s closer than I expected if I read that right.
DUDE, can we just like, stop, for a moment?
Just one day without “unprecedented times” would be great, tbh
Targetted military installations, Israel said. But seems they instead hit residential apartment complexes. So, yet another war crime.
Well this is Israel’s big skillset. They are a culture organized around the oppression and murder of innocents.
Iranian revolutionary guard generals are not innocent and actually quite good at oppression.
Well, I never said they were. They aren’t the only ones being targeted. The kind of pedantic excuse crafting that you’re doing right here, is the kind of nonsensical rationalization that is always deployed when that vicious, violent, predatory nation does what it always does.
But like, did you see how menacing the curtains looked?!?
I sent a screenshot of that to my people earlier - highlighting the discrepancy. It’s astounding how blatantly the media carries water for them.
They targeted military leaders in those apartments. So still military targets of some sort.
No. When a military attacks a civilian structure like that they have to prove they acted proportionally, and that they acted to minimize casualties of innocents. Israel never provides that proof and they do this all the time, so absent that poof they are legally war crimes. Its well established law. There is no “of a sort” – theres war crimes and not war crimes. Israel commits war crimes and this was yet another war crime. They cant just pretend any amount of dead civilians near a “target” is just fine. Thats not how any of this works. It’d be the same war crime if they blew up a stadium full of people to kill one man.
They don’t need to publish proof according to international law and it’s uncommon for any country to provide that. Operational security usually precludes that anyway. Proof and such come into play in a trial or Knesset parliamentary inquiry. Both of which have brought clarity in the past on Israeli action.
Proportionality assessment is done by IDF officers and lawyers. They want their asses covered, because war crimes are also crimes under Israeli law and they want to continue traveling abroad. Proportionality is always judged by if the action is conducive to reach the military objective, while at the same time minimizing civilian casualties and damages. Zero civilian casualties is not required according to international humanitarian law.
Anything Israel does is immediately labeled a war crime by some parties, regardless of what’s actually going on.
It’d be the same war crime if they blew up a stadium full of people to kill one man.
That would only be proportional under special circumstances, like if that man was extremely important, time was critical, and there was no other feasible way to target and get him. If that one man is a combatant and legitimate military target, he is also committing a war crime by hiding among civilians using them as human shields.
So in the case of man in a stadium it would have to be literally Hitler about to launch another world war to justify blowing up the whole building. You can only get him there, because he‘s in the bunker connected to the stadium at all other times. In that case the stadium would also be filled with high ranking officers and party officials, but you said only one man. If you have a precision guided missile able to blow up only the VIP lodge, that would change the proportionality assessment of course. Proportionality depends on the objective.
Israel‘s attacks on the apartment buildings only took out specific apartments, not destroy the whole building. This can be seen on footage from Iranian tv.
So no, it’s not the same war crime, if it’s even a war crime.
You don’t have a clue, do you?
I very much do, I live here.
I hate to sound like I’m defending Israel, but it’s possible Iran shot down some of their missiles, which have to go somewhere. It’s looking like the vast majority of the strikes were aiming for military targets.
If a missile, ballistic or otherwise, is intercepted no the missile will not simply be diverted it will be compromised by the interceptor.
The more complex the warhead the more likelihood an interception will neutralize it.
Israel admitted they targetted apartment buildings where leaders lived. Its not a missile shootdown.
If you shoot down a missle it shouldn’t explode on impact and cause massive building damage like we are seeing in the photos. The largest thing you should see is like a street sign sticking into a building wall. It’s more likely the missiles missed if we are giving credit, but I doubt it. We’ll see when 3 days of this shit ends and what targets ended up being hit
Eh not necessarily tbh, we see that in Ukraine daily - debris of shot down rockets and drones doing substantial damage to whatever is below.
Except for the weapons we sold them, the intel reports we provided, etc, etc.
Funny how the US diverted 20k drones from Ukraine to the Middle East recently, wonder where they will end up…
And funny how the US embassy there was emptied a few days ago, citing “tensions in the region.” Almost looks like they knew, doesn’t it?
They did know… it has been explicitly stated that they did. They’re just saying that they don’t take part in it.
Which is also bullshit. At the very least they provided refuelling and intelligence.
They definitely did provide support, what they are saying is that they had no say in Israel decision making process. I can believe that, Netanyahu is a fucking psychopath.
Presumably it is to discourage Iran from attacking US assets in the region, knowing that the US have weapons that they can use to counter-attack. Any counter-attack needs to be against Israel alone, not the US. That’s what the US wants.
WW3 speedrun any%
Israel is digging its own grave. Sadly with other people’s blood.
Times of Israel is reporting a different story on the level of US involvement
