Tehran launched fresh missiles strikes against Tel Aviv and other Israeli cities as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed further strikes on Iran in a military operation that has targeted the nuclear and military facilities of his country’s arch enemy.
Shortly after midnight on June 14, Israel said its military had intercepted a new round of Iranian surface-to-surface missiles in Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem on the second consecutive day of Iranian air strikes that followed a damaging Israeli air assault on sites linked to Tehran’s nuclear program.
Unfortunately, I think this is what it might take for the people of Israel to do something about their government. Iran has enough force to scare civilians into making an effort to back out of war.
The British turned entire cities into flame tornados during ww2, and it galvanised the Germans rather than deter them.
I see this argument repeated here every now and then, but it’s not true: https://aoav.org.uk/2020/the-effects-of-strategic-bombing-in-wwii-on-german-morale/
To summarise: Bombing had a profound effect on depressing morale through inducing defeatism, fear and apathy. Bombing did not harden popular resolve against the US. The hate and anger it aroused was directed against the Nazi regime, not the Allies.
Sorry, you’re right. The point I was trying to clumsily make is that It didn’t have the effect that the RAF were aiming for. Which was to break morale and more importantly, stem the civilian population production of war. If anything, production increased, despite the terror.
I’m incredibly ignorant on WW2, and in general knowledge, being a nerd and all, my brain is full of Linux. However I have recently been watching the World War in Color series. I’ve been watching several other similar series and I’m totally hooked now.
The run-up to WW2 and current US affairs look strikingly similar. I look at the TV, then my phone, then back at the TV and “it’s the same picture”.
The entire premise behind Israel as a project state is the marketing that they are doing “the right thing.” It has nothing to do with the Jewish faith. It has everything to do with zionism, genocide, and profit.
They know they are the bad guys here. They don’t care.
There are very few conflicts where you can paint the governments involved as black and white “good guys/bad guys”. In the Iran / Israel arena I’d like to see both governments fall.
Iran I’d like to see return to being a much more secular state, and Israel… Well they’ve got some very deep rot to expunge. 70+ years of “Lebensraum” type entitled-expansion. I don’t know how you get that out of the culture.
You have to remember that the citizens of a country aren’t always the same as the leadership of the country.
correct! i absolutely remember that. which means sometimes when I say “Israel” people think I mean working class folks trying to get by. However those folks are not zionists. Zionists do not count as “folks” in this formula.
I’m not saying they’re gonna a have a moral breakthrough. I’m saying they’re not gonna want to engage in a war that means a lot of their people are dying. War on Palestine is easy. War against Iran is not.
for sure. they will certainly be pissed and frustrated and hopefully boot nazi netanyahu out of office.
Hopefully. But they may just make a peace deal and the Gaza continues to burn.
Lol it won’t because this is literally nothing. They’ve been through much worse and Iran default response for the past few years has been to launch a bunch of blank rockets that run on Imam farts and then claim that they made Tel Aviv burn in “hell fire”.
These attacks are a signal from Iran that they don’t want a war with Israel and that this is the furthest they’ll go. They did the same thing when Haniyeh was killed in Tehran.
I’m not saying this one attack is what it takes. Continued attacks will lead to peace talks, which is what happens all the time.
Iran doesn’t recognize Israel so they won’t have any direct negotiations any time soon.
Then we’ll have to see if they keep attacking each other.
No, this will reinforce the Zionist belief that the less Arabs the better.
Iranians are generally Persian, not Arab. Arabs are a very small minority in Iran.
Arabs make up about 2% of Iran’s population, but I get your meaning.
They might believe that but depending on how hard Iran fires back they might not want to mess up their relatively cushy lifestyles.
The official Israeli reason for this is because of ‘iranian’ drones being sent towards Israeli territory (released from Iraq rather than Iran) so they have manufactured a casus belli, and Iran clearly didn’t expect this attack since they were actually cooperating more than the past before the attacks
as the attack happened tons of flight flew to Cyprus. I have a feeling the entire government is in the UK base there, while the “citizen” have to deal with backlash.
“Why don’t presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?”
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Iran has proven to the world that it is a paper tiger. It is horrendously weak, incompetent, corrupt, and unstable. Israel over the last few years has humiliated them time and time again, and Iran hasn’t been able to respond in kind. The theocracy regime is now feeling the squeeze both internally and externally.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. The IRGC are terrorist occupiers of Iran. They are weak and can’t even ensure their people have food water and electricity. Women, life, freedom
People on here lack any nuance. They view any criticism of Iran as support for Israel even that’s not the case.
Well…your post did laud Israel humiliating Iran. It’s easy to take that as pro-israel.
Well, they did. That’s just a basic observation based on what happened. Hating Israel is fine, hating Israel to the point where you start thinking any criticism of anything that’s not Israel = being pro Israel is not okay.
Can you give some examples? I think I keep up with world news and am genuinely at a loss for what you’re talking about
The Iranian theocracy over the past few years has been feeling real pressure because of how badly Israel has exposed them. Consider what Israel has done to them:
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Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran
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Hezbollah got neutered
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The Iranian embassy in Syria got bombed
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They completely lost their proxies in Syria
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They lost the Al Assad regime
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They had their proxy groups in Palestine, Hamas and the PIJ, get bombed into oblivion
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Their oil infrastructure keeps getting bombed and damaged
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They had military bases inside country get attacked
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Their nuclear facilities keep getting attacked and damaged
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They had a bunch of their military leaders assassinated
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They keep losing their top nuclear scientists
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Mossad has repeatedly shown that it’s so balls deep in Iran’s affairs that they’re borderline running the country
Keep in mind this is just Israel, they’re also facing pressure from the US, UAE, KSA, and EU. The Iranian regime has shown time and time again that they won’t do anything substantial no matter what. It’s a sign that Iran hasn’t done anything because they can’t, which means they’re a paper tiger.
This is just external pressure. Internally, they’re also feeling the squeeze because the people DESPISE them:
There are massive protests in Iran every other year since the late 2000s. Here are some recent examples:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–2022_Iranian_protests
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–2020_Iranian_protests
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Iranian_general_strikes_and_protests
The mullahs and their regime have completely lost their legitimacy to the people of Iran and they’re only still in power because they still have the military on their side which they use to oppress the people. The regime’s only way to stay in power is to rule through fear and violence.
On top of this, Iran also has major separatist movements like Kurdistan, Balochistan, Iranian Azerbaijan, and the Arabs in Khuzestan. These groups and regions comprises half the country, and they all want out. The theocracy has to spend an insane amount of effort keeping them down.
So between power moves by foreign powers, the separatists, and the general population, the theocrats are getting squeezed from all sides. This means that the regime is very fragile and they could get ousted from power easily if they show too much weakness.
I agree with each and every point that you’ve made above, however I disagree with your original statement that Iran is a paper tiger.
A paper tiger would have crumpled already under that level of sustained pressure. For better or worse (and I would definitely argue the latter), Iran is far tougher than we in the West tend to give them credit for.
A paper tiger doesn’t necessarily mean that a country is weak, it just means that a country is weaker than it is perceived. It’s a relative term. Iran is much stronger than my home country of Iraq, whom they have thoroughly abused. However, Iraqis in general think that Iran is actually a weak country relative to, say for example, Turkey, who has similar base stats.
The Iranian regime portrays itself as this mighty and powerful power that contend with the West, and here in the West we make Iran seem like it’s as powerful as the Soviet Union was… But in reality their strength has been greatly exaggerated by propaganda both inside and outside the country, and their actual capabilities are far less than they are on paper, hence why it’s a paper tiger.
You could make the same argument for Russia. Before the Ukraine war both Putin’s regime and the West believed that Russia’s military was world’s second most powerful and that they’re strong enough to take on the US… At least in theory. But as it turns out, Russia is way weaker than anybody expected and they keep getting pushed back by Ukraine. Russia is still strong, but they’re also a paper tiger.
I’m curious what drives a person to write this much on this topic on lemmy
Imagining asking a question and then insulting the person who put in effort answering. You’re a clown.
I recognize the reality of the world is grey, rather than black or white. Given the awful things both nations have engaged in, when someone launches into a virulent pro-Israel/anti-Iran diatribe, you can bet I have questions about their motivation
being anti-Iran is not the same as being pro-Israel.
please, brace yourself for a challenging thought - two different things can both be bad.
How is this pro Israel at all? It’s factual you dope. These things happened, are you that dumb?
Only brainless zealots view factual reality as a propaganda narrative. This is doubly true when they can’t even verbalize what their stance is, they’re just mad because their distorted and myopic worldview has been mildly challenged. It’s like the NPC meme but irl.
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