I am one of the admins of Beehaw and I’m trying to get some feedback on our potential move.
Let’s start out with a little Beehaw history before judgements are passed, please.
A handful of us were beta testing Tildes when we decided to have discussions on a Discord server.
We decided that our ‘Northern Star’ or guiding principle would culminate as ‘Be Nice’ with purposefully vague/flexible interpretations. Our overall goal is to provide a safe space to disenfranchised persons.
We talked for a little over a year and some of our members became impatient. Then someone stepped in to suggest a couple of platforms that we could consider getting started with.
One of those platforms was Lemmy. None of us knew, at that time, anything about ActivityPub.
During the Reddit exodus (surrounding the API outcry and blackout), our instance exploded. We were, initially, crippled by the mass amounts of users seeking refuge.
Thankfully, someone stepped in and volunteered hundreds of hours of work to stabilize our instance and refine it further.
After many hours of talks, it became clear to us that our overall goal could be achieved outside of Lemmy/ActivityPub.
Right now, we feel that Lemmy and ActivityPub have downsides that are limiting us from achieving that goal.
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I don’t think you guys cared when you defederated from the rest of the fediverse and turned up your nose at everyone else. I’m not sure why you care now. You guys go and do your thing, but I don’t think you’re very relevant to the fediverse.
You speak very vaguely, and I don’t think you’re being fully honest with your reasoning, but by this point, I don’t think it really matters.
Lol, so good I left Beehaw already. Do whatever you want now, not going to miss it, neither their admins.
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It would be a big loss for the fediverse, but if that’s what OG Beehaw users want, I don’t necessarily feel like we should have a say
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Right now, we feel that Lemmy and ActivityPub have downsides that are limiting us from achieving that goal.
Could you expand on this? How exactly does these things prevent you from Being Nice, if that’s the goal of your community?
Not OP but my guess would be moderation tools.
Wouldn’t the nice thing to do be to contribute to the moderation tools instead of splintering
I very much agree. Instead of complaining and isolating themselves and their users, they could be helping improve the moderation tools which benefits all of us, but instead they choose to self isolate, which hurts their users while the biggest servers that they defederated forget they even existed.
The fuck are you asking non bee haw users for?
…because they’re a large fediverse instance, with a significant number of users and well-known communities?
I don’t think lemm.ee is federating correctly, but I’ll give my take here if some one can sees it.
Beehaw will go the way of every other reddit alternatives, because the existing community is not enough to sustain the critical mass of activity needed. In fact, with the current instance policy, Beehaw is struggling to sustain itself as is with federation, which will only get worse if you defederate.
I’m not sure why Beehaw refuse to use Lemmy’s white-list federation feature and selectively pick and choose who to federate with instead of going full scorched earth.
It’s ultimately up to the admins at Beehaw to make this choice, but I would like to say, grass is not always greener on the other side, defederation will harm Beehaw more than it helps.
Good riddance, Beehaw is terrible. It was maybe the single biggest exporter of concern-trolling about lemmy.ml and to my knowledge still entertains absurdly reactionary comms for no reason (though I haven’t brushed up on my lore in a while). Go make your blue Raddle.
More constructively: Having your “Northern Star” be “intentionally vague” is not a good practice. Having clear rules is a much better way to avoid falling into “what did the mod who reviewed the report feel like doing at the time?” arbitration issues. If you want to serve disenfranchised communities well,* then have that be the foundation and clearly define what that means and why you are doing it.
*My experience with this was that Beehaw was more about first world radlibs patting themselves on the back, but I digress
I was banned from Beehaw for being “pompous”. I have narcissistic personality disorder, being pompous is one of the symptoms. I was being nice, polite, and complying with everyone’s requests, but I did so pompously, because I’m disabled. You’re 100% right, Beehaw is run be ableist radlibs and their word “nice” is a dogwhistle for “neurotypical”.
why would you delete your comment, then make a new account and use it to post the same comment?
Oh, I didn’t do that. I made a new account and posted the same comment, and THEN I deleted my old comment. I didn’t want to spam the thread with duplicates.
I would be disappointed. I like the content from Beehaw and I enjoy being able to see it in my federated feed. I also think Beehaw fits a good niche in the Fediverse that would otherwise leave a hole if it was not there. I also think beehaw is a good influence on the Fediverse as a whole.
Have you considered that a part of your goal could be to make things better for disenfranchised people in a more general way? I think your presence in the Fediverse has a positive effect that goes beyond your own instance. And I think that’s worth preserving.
Lol. Lmao even.
Beehaw is my home in the fediverse, and I’m happy here. I like that they try to maintain a positive community. But if Beehaw left the fediverse, I wouldn’t come along. Which is a change from thinking I might last time I saw this topic come up.
If beehaw ends up in a silo I think it will just have too little to offer for me. And that’s ok. This isn’t about me, it’s about creating a safe space for your disenfranchised users.
I hope Beehaw stays, but I understand if they don’t.
I was a beehaw user for about a day. I had a lot of very pleasant interactions with other users, it was totally surprising how different and good the vibe was. And then an admin decided that a perfectly pleasant interaction I’d had with someone was unacceptable, called me pompous, banned me, and deleted the thread. And I’m used to being called pompous, because I have NPD and it’s one of the symptoms of my disorder. I can be nice and pompous, but only if someone’s willing to look past my disorder and see who I am and what I’m doing, instead of how I look.
So I would like it very much if the Beehaw admins left the fediverse and the rest of you guys stayed.
Why do you care what other instances think about it? I’m honestly asking and expecting an answer here. This isn’t a sassy question.
You built a wall and now you’re asking people outside of that wall what it feels for you to leave. Well, I’d care if I could see what’s inside the wall, but I can’t. I tried subscribing and it was impossible.
So why do you care what people outside of your wall think? Again, I expect an answer here.
Why would you care to read and respond in an ask-random-lemmy-users-for-opinions@major-instance if you wouldn’t be interested in random lemmy users’ opinions?
Leave already
You didn’t say why. Bit pointless having a discussion about nothing
I’m subbed to some communities on Beehaw and I would miss them. But not enough to make an account on Beehaw to get them back.
Beehaw as an instance doesn’t have nearly enough content to justify defederation. It wouldn’t be missed if they moved somewhere else.
That being said, I do enjoy the discussions and would personally be disappointed to see it move or be closed off, but not enough to move with it.
