I have a few questions in general:
- ICE is being used by Trump as a terrorist unit that “disappears” people - immigrants, dissenters, probably anyone who Trump doesn’t like in the future.
- Is ICE a federal agency? If so, is it under Trump’s direct control? Do the states have any say in what ICE can do in their territory and what not? Can the state’s governor instruct the state’s police force to stop ICE?
- Can it be reasonably demanded by the people that blue states take a stance against ICE by instructing their police to stop or hinder ICE? Has that been done so far?
The reason why this matter is very clearly because Trump is using ICE to terrorize the people, to intimidate political opponents and disappear dissenters. Can the state protect people within its own territory?
I think all of this was answered by the deployment of Marines in LA in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.
You really gotta love when a British paper decides it want’s to be a booster for the American Fascism train.
Well, when they finally declare open season, guess who will be among the first… Yeah, the Enablers.
They’re just repaying the favor NYT did for germany
When will these people understand that there is a class war. It’s well underway. It’s been underway for hundreds of years. We’re just the only side that’s been taking casualties. The veneer of civilization is so very thin at this point. It’s just a whisper at this point. That’s the only thing protecting them. They view people like these Democratic socialists as the threat. But no, this guy is one of their last hopes. He’s one of the last things saying maybe we can patch it and keep civilization going. Because without people like him we’re going to start dragging you from your houses, hanging you in trees and gutting you. So pick your poison.
I’m a leftist
can you explain what you mean?
They are saying that the idiots up top that run things keep trying to make peaceful reforms impossible. This will lead directly to their deaths. History is littered with examples of this exact scenario playing out in a myriad of different ways.
If you need that explained, you aren’t a leftist.
GTFO out of here with this kind of toxic gatekeeping bullshit please.
Back to reddit with you!
If you say shit like this, you’re not a leftist, you’re just a memer. Practical outcomes and actionability are always more important than your petty puerile impulse for myopic catharsis. Introspect and do better.
Yes, but also, your question is not genuine. If you are leftist, you are well aware of the deterioration of democracy and if you need someone to spell it out for you. Well then, if you are not paying attention and claim to be a leftist, what are you a leftist about? Because from the left it is quite obvious why they are scared.
I was asking a clarifying question
There was no malice or rebuttal in it
Do you understand?
You’re throwing away a genuine opportunity to add clarity and start a discussion with a likeminded person because you’re offended? How on earth do you expect to progress unless we can talk about our ideas?
We don’t need people that push a divisive narrative and push us away from each other.
This is the kind of shit astroturfing bots do, and it works, it’s toxic AF.
You’ve said at least twice in this thread that we’re “toxic” and should “gtfo” for discussing leftist ideas, and you’re suggesting that we’re divisive? Just be quiet and let us work. You’re free to leave if you don’t like it, but there’s nothing to gain by preventing dialogue.
I doubt they’re offended. It’s more likely that, as a leftist, they are justifiably concerned about being provoked into making illegal (if morally justified) threats. There’s a long history of state agents infiltrating leftist spaces to provoke illegal behavior (which is often made illegal specifically to target leftists).
billionaire hedge funder Bill Ackman said he was “gravely concerned” because he believed the leftwing candidate’s policies would trigger an exodus of the wealth “If the city of New York is going socialist, I will definitely close, sell, or move.”
Big fucking rich guys can’t handle paying $20k to keep their city above water and create a better future for everyone. Even after they have more than that coming back in fed tax cuts. Good riddance to parasites, go try to do business from Montana or something.
Mamdani should just try to tax the life out of them if they try to leave the city.
That’s part of the beauty of his plan: the taxes aren’t predicated on them LIVING in NYC, but rather on them DOING BUSINESS there.
That way, not only can’t they escape their responsibilities by relocating (a favorite pastime of billionaires), but all OTHER billionaires who want to do business in one of the financial nexuses of the world (which is very nearly all of them worldwide) have to pay closer to their fair share too!
Look I already said he’s a 10 you don’t need to sell me on it 🤣
Man I’m really hoping we see some cool things come out of this. I’m not holding my breath but I am hoping for it.
I think it’s good that people talk about it.
Trump had a “Project 2025” playbook developed and ready before he took office, so he immediately knew what to do, on “day one”. That gave him a huge speed advantage.
I think the left should do the same thing. Write detailed policy explanations before taking office. This way, we can act faster and gain speed.
That is why it makes sense to discuss the policies before he’s even in office.
There’s no need to threaten like that, the billionaire bracket can absorb 2%, and they know it. It’s a bluff and FUD is the only play they have. Some will move loudly for a political statement and the media they own will play up those stories, but reality few will give up NYC lifestyle and convenience over the proposed rate.
Edit- side thought… It would be so easy for one or two to step up and announce they are proud to support their city, to care for their neighbors, and embrace the proposal as a badge of pride and accomplishment. But no, this is america land of the greed
Nah the rich have had it easy. They directly benefited from the policies of New York and they should have to pay if they want to leave.
Let’s call it wealth redistribution.
Also I see your point but I think massive exit taxes should be charged regardless
Also I see your point but I think massive exit taxes should be charged regardless
They established them nationally under W. No reason not to reflect that locally.
Yeah, but that’s a pipe dream. Just move on.
Imma keep talking about it until somebody does it
Feel free I guess.
They sometimes do make good on their threats and the wealth concentrated in the northeast is absurd enough to make a significant difference at times
David Tepper (hedge fund manager, net worth 11.4 billion, extreme income of $700 million per year) left New Jersey in 2016 over tax rates for Florida.
His move cost the state $140 million in tax revenue. It wasn’t enough to destroy the state obviously, but it was a noticeable hit to revenues. It also gave media great PR against taxing the wealthy
https://www.schiffsovereign.com/tax/the-state-of-new-jersey-just-signed-its-own-death-warrant-23939/ headline is literally “New Jersey just signed its own death warrant”
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/04/06/billionaire-to-save-hundreds-of-millions-from-florida-move.html “billionaire to save hundreds of millions from Florida move”
Etc. of course in our propagandized society very few/no media outlets focus on him paying his fair share (or the ethics of his extreme wealth in the first place). They all fellate him for being such a savvy businessman and skipping out on his civic duty is an extension of that. Fuck public roads and schools, this guy needs a net worth of 11.48 billion instead of 11.42.
He eventually relocated back to NJ in 2020 fwiw. He claims the move wasn’t necessarily about taxes and tbf he never publicly said it was. It is potentially possible he just had a family issue or something and the media ran with to propagandize the situation. he remains a registered voter in Florida, whatever that means
Imo he came back bc he realized the northeast is great. It’s nice to visit the rest of the country but if you live in the rest of the country I’m sorry to say this but your pizza is terrible
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CNBC financial news channel anchor Joe Kernen compared New York to Batman’s crime-riddled Gotham. “ They’re taking Wall Streeters and making them walk out onto the ice in the East River, And, and then they fall through. I mean there is a class warfare that’s going on.”
“Raising taxes on people who have more wealth than they could spend in a hundred lifetimes is the same as murder.”
I cannot empathize with anyone who says that shit with a straight face. You’ve either abandoned any principles you may have had to spew propaganda, or are so completely delusional that you actually believe it.
Oh they find a way. Bezos wedding was 40 to 50 million euros.
By the way, i read somewhere that a big reason why the Mafia existed in southern italy for so long is largely to keep foreign investors out. No foreign investor would invest in a place where he might be gunned down. That is why the Mafia saw itself as a “protector of the local culture”. They tried to keep American influence out of their country.
I’m just saying it because it just randomly came to my mind, not because it’s relevant here.
if voting doesn’t work i want there to be an alternative solution
Well, it is a pretty fun idea.
the amount of fear and anger coming from these people all because they’ll earn less money is fucking nauseating. oh no, Mamdani might use your money to help everyone in NYC including you. the horror. you’re right.
And this is the issue that was worth having a meltdown over. Not any of the kidnapping, not Trump’s tariffs and market manipulation, not Adams’ corruption or Cuomo’s COVID scandals. Their utter silence on everything else makes their current freak out transparently hollow. None of them are worried about NYC, they’re worried about the idea of the uberwealthy getting taxed to make life better for everyone else catching on.
Yes, but also, people at that level do not, strictly speaking, “earn” money. They extract it from the labor of others.
very true. i am using “earn” here as a synonym for merely obtaining. it should be read as thieve, as in “they’ll thieve less money.”
Can’t let the poors realize that government can actually be effective and help them …
“Hot commie summer salami” sounds like an excellent gay porn.
“Do you like my cock comrade?”
“You mean our cock, comrade”
Wall Street grift fears being exposed as such.
Turns out they control both sides of the establishment and are waging a class war surprised–pikachu.jpg
This is so billionaires saying that they don’t want to pay their fair share. They don’t want other residents to pay their fair share either because they could be paying that share to the billionaires instead but if they have to pay that share to the government, who is going to keep these poor billionaires fed?
This is them literally saying “I’m an asshole, I hate everyone that is not me, now vote for my candidate!”
oh yeah, how’d the NYC election turn out?
