You see, there you go again. You keep trying to find ways to justify the killing, but it’s all just rooted in your subjective perspective. The Israelis can just as easily say that to fight the Palestinians is an act done out of love and defense for the children and other innocent people being killed by them. They can say that it was necessary to stop the Palestinians from committing genocide against them. They can say that it was the justified and moral action to take. It’s all just rhetoric. Your rhetoric, their rhetoric. It’s just words creating justifications out of the air. You conjure a justification for killing them out of your rhetoric, they conjure a justification for killing you out of their rhetoric, and it’s all equally legitimate because it was all based in the same morally relativizing perspective.
You are denying genocide by ignoring the objective evidence, widespread and seen by millions, of on-going atrocities and claiming I’m fabricating justification. Personally I don’t know how such a person could live with themself in light of what we know.
Another attempt to shift the goalposts by putting words in my mouth. The plain fact of the matter is that you are calling for people to be killed and endlessly trying to justify that call to killing, and in my book that makes you a hateful, violent, and most importantly evil person.
As I said I’m a Buddhist, Buddhist philosophy would agree that it creates bad karma to kill. But this figure is seen as a bodhisattva, or a form of the Buddha:
Righteous indignation, fury in the face of injustice is a form of compassion. This is distinct from hatred. Killing should be avoided, but there are costs to being calm in the face of violence. In this historical moment it would cause more death and suffering to allow the IDF to continue unopposed. Killing is not a solution, it is a pragmatic action to take if no other is available, and I agree it should be the ultimate last resort.
I’m sure the Israelis will also say that it would cause more death and suffering to allow Palestine to continued unopposed, so you’re still left in the same position as before, Buddha or Bodhisattva notwithstanding.
I’m sure they would, why should I care? They will make any justification to further their genocide. People paying attention can see the truth. That is the point, you can say anything to justify actions but there is an objective reality. And in that reality, it is an act of kindness to fight the IDF.
This is a rather surprising turn, as you know seem to be abandoning your previous claims about relative morality and now declare that their killing is objectively moral? Of course, you don’t really believe that, as you’ve made abundantly clear. It’s not really surprising that you abandon your position so easily since it was disingenuous to begin with, but you’d think that the fact that you are now directly contradicting yourself should at least alert you to the fact that you hold dissonant beliefs.
Not my truth, the objective reality that can easily be seen of daily massacres of Gazans. No position was abandoned, it is both the relative and objective moral position to fight against the IDF and Zionism in general. And currently that requires violence as they are in a state of war and will kill those that oppose them. “DEATH TO THE IDF” is like a warcry, it’s not supposed to be a rhetorical position, it’s a call to inspire and motivate the resistance against Zionism and genocide.
It is absolutely not the objective moral position, but I think that you already know that. The Israelis will say that there is an objective reality that can be seen in the Palestinian butchery of Israeli citizens and that “it is both the relative and objective moral position to fight against Hamas and Palestine in general. And currently that requires violence as they are in a state of war and will kill those that oppose them. “DEATH TO PALESTINE” is like a warcry, it’s not supposed to be a rhetorical position, it’s a call to inspire and motivate the resistance against Palestinians and genocide”
Wow, look how easily your supposedly objective truth turned out to be completely subjective to your preexisting biases.
You see, there you go again. You keep trying to find ways to justify the killing, but it’s all just rooted in your subjective perspective. The Israelis can just as easily say that to fight the Palestinians is an act done out of love and defense for the children and other innocent people being killed by them. They can say that it was necessary to stop the Palestinians from committing genocide against them. They can say that it was the justified and moral action to take. It’s all just rhetoric. Your rhetoric, their rhetoric. It’s just words creating justifications out of the air. You conjure a justification for killing them out of your rhetoric, they conjure a justification for killing you out of their rhetoric, and it’s all equally legitimate because it was all based in the same morally relativizing perspective.
You are denying genocide by ignoring the objective evidence, widespread and seen by millions, of on-going atrocities and claiming I’m fabricating justification. Personally I don’t know how such a person could live with themself in light of what we know.
Another attempt to shift the goalposts by putting words in my mouth. The plain fact of the matter is that you are calling for people to be killed and endlessly trying to justify that call to killing, and in my book that makes you a hateful, violent, and most importantly evil person.
As I said I’m a Buddhist, Buddhist philosophy would agree that it creates bad karma to kill. But this figure is seen as a bodhisattva, or a form of the Buddha:
Righteous indignation, fury in the face of injustice is a form of compassion. This is distinct from hatred. Killing should be avoided, but there are costs to being calm in the face of violence. In this historical moment it would cause more death and suffering to allow the IDF to continue unopposed. Killing is not a solution, it is a pragmatic action to take if no other is available, and I agree it should be the ultimate last resort.
I’m sure the Israelis will also say that it would cause more death and suffering to allow Palestine to continued unopposed, so you’re still left in the same position as before, Buddha or Bodhisattva notwithstanding.
I’m sure they would, why should I care? They will make any justification to further their genocide. People paying attention can see the truth. That is the point, you can say anything to justify actions but there is an objective reality. And in that reality, it is an act of kindness to fight the IDF.
Ah, “the truth”, or your version of it anyway.
This is a rather surprising turn, as you know seem to be abandoning your previous claims about relative morality and now declare that their killing is objectively moral? Of course, you don’t really believe that, as you’ve made abundantly clear. It’s not really surprising that you abandon your position so easily since it was disingenuous to begin with, but you’d think that the fact that you are now directly contradicting yourself should at least alert you to the fact that you hold dissonant beliefs.
Not my truth, the objective reality that can easily be seen of daily massacres of Gazans. No position was abandoned, it is both the relative and objective moral position to fight against the IDF and Zionism in general. And currently that requires violence as they are in a state of war and will kill those that oppose them. “DEATH TO THE IDF” is like a warcry, it’s not supposed to be a rhetorical position, it’s a call to inspire and motivate the resistance against Zionism and genocide.
It is absolutely not the objective moral position, but I think that you already know that. The Israelis will say that there is an objective reality that can be seen in the Palestinian butchery of Israeli citizens and that “it is both the relative and objective moral position to fight against Hamas and Palestine in general. And currently that requires violence as they are in a state of war and will kill those that oppose them. “DEATH TO PALESTINE” is like a warcry, it’s not supposed to be a rhetorical position, it’s a call to inspire and motivate the resistance against Palestinians and genocide”
Wow, look how easily your supposedly objective truth turned out to be completely subjective to your preexisting biases.